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Re: RIPE our of IPv4
From: Brandon Butterworth <brandon () rd bbc co uk>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:49:07 +0000
On Wed Nov 27, 2019 at 01:08:04PM -0600, Brian Knight wrote:
None of which matters a damn to almost all of my business eyeball customers. They can still get from our network to 100% of all Internet content & services via IPv4 in 2019. I regularly vet deals for our sales team, and out of the hundreds of deals we sold this year, I can count on one hand the number of deals where customers wanted IPv6. We sold them IPv6 access, but we didn't put it on our own network, because we face the same internal challenges Sabri mentioned. (SD-WAN, OTOH, was far more popular
A few year later customer wakes up: "wait you sold us all those toys we didn't need but didn't include the basic transport capabilites everyone apparently has been saying for over a decade are required minimum?" "and now you want us to pay you to rebuild it again and trust that you got the basics right this time?" If you're an internet professional you are a negligent one if by now you are not ensuring all you build quietly includes IPv6, no customer should need to know to ask for it. It's not like it needs different kit.
As an aside, I would guess that it's the corporate eyeball customers with servers, not resi/mobile behind CGNAT, that will bear the brunt of the IPv4 cost first. But what enterprise wants to tell its non-IPv6 customers "your Internet needs to be upgraded, come back to us when you're done?" That doesn't bode well for the short-term future.
"all that multi natted into same address space VPN firewall complicated knitting we never got right wasn't needed if you'd told us to use IPv6?" brandon
Current thread:
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4, (continued)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Mike Hammett (Nov 25)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Doug Barton (Nov 25)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Brandon Martin (Nov 25)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Doug Barton (Nov 25)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 bzs (Nov 26)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Matt Palmer (Nov 26)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Matthew Kaufman (Nov 30)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Sabri Berisha (Nov 26)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Ca By (Nov 26)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Brian Knight (Nov 27)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Brandon Butterworth (Nov 27)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Brian Knight (Nov 27)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Baldur Norddahl (Nov 27)
- RE: RIPE our of IPv4 Michel Py (Nov 27)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Mark Andrews (Nov 27)
- RE: RIPE our of IPv4 Michel Py (Nov 27)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Brian Knight (Nov 29)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Mike Hammett (Nov 29)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Brian Knight (Nov 30)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Ca By (Nov 30)
- Re: RIPE our of IPv4 Justin Streiner (Nov 30)