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Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC
From: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
Date: Tue, 16 Jul 2019 15:23:26 -0700
On 7/15/19 12:07 PM, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
----- Original Message -----From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists () gmail com> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:00 PM Paul Timmins <paul () telcodata us> wrote:Chris it would be trivial for this to be fixed, nearly overnight, by creating some liability on the part of carriers for illicit use of caller ID data on behalf of their customers.'illicit use of caller id' - how is caller-id being illicitly used though? I don't think it's against the law to say a different 'callerid' in the call session, practically every actual call center does this, right?I can speak to that, having originated calls from a call center. Yes, of course we sent out calls with "spoofed" CNID. But, even though only 2 or 3 or our 5 carriers* held *our* feet to the fire, we held the clients' feet to the fire, requiring them to prove to our satisfaction that they had adminstrative control over the numbers in question. But it's the carrier's responsibility, properly, to do that work.
How do the clients prove that?Way back when when we were working on mipv6 we had to work through a somewhat similar problem for handoffs. The ultimate answer was a return routability test: that is, if you can answer on the address you're trying to claim "ownership" for, it's good enough.
Maybe such a thing can be done in for spoofing? Even out of band spot checking might be adequate to keep clients honest?
But right you are, it's ultimately the carrier who needs to care about this problem at or nothing gets better.
Mike
Current thread:
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC, (continued)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Michael Thomas (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Christopher Morrow (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Michael Thomas (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Paul Timmins (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Peter Beckman (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Christopher Morrow (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Michael Thomas (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC John Curran (Jul 19)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Paul Timmins (Jul 11)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Jay R. Ashworth (Jul 15)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Michael Thomas (Jul 16)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Dan Hollis (Jul 16)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Christopher Morrow (Jul 16)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Jay R. Ashworth (Jul 18)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Michael Thomas (Jul 18)
- Re: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC Sean Donelan (Jul 11)