RE: SHAKEN/STIR Robocall Summit - July 11 2019 at FCC

["Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf () dessus com>]

On Thursday, 11 July, 2019 12:38, Ross Tajvar <ross () tajvar io> wrote:

> What if you use different carriers for termination and origination?
> How does your termination carrier validate that your origination
> carrier has allocated certain numbers to you and that you're
> therefore allowed to make outbound calls with a caller ID set to
> those numbers? That doesn't sound to me like something that can be
> solved as quickly and easily as you imply.

It does not really matter.  What matters is that they bear responsibility for an act in furtherance of a conspiracy to 
commit fraud.

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The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.


> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 2:33 PM Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf () dessus com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>       On Thursday, 11 July, 2019 11:18, Christopher Morrow
> <morrowc.lists () gmail com> wrote:
>
>       >On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 12:00 PM Paul Timmins
> <paul () telcodata us> wrote:
>
>       >> Chris it would be trivial for this to be fixed, nearly
> overnight,
>       >> by creating some liability on the part of carriers for
> illicit use of
>       >> caller ID data on behalf of their customers.
>
>       >'illicit use of caller id' - how is caller-id being illicitly
> used
>       >though?
>       >I don't think it's against the law to say a different
> 'callerid' in
>       >the call session, practically every actual call center does
> this, right?
>
>       The problem is that CallerID is not really the CallerID.  It is
> some fraudulent shit created by the caller.  This is not how
> "CallerID" was originally sold.  It was sold as being the ID of the
> Caller.  If it is not the ID of the Caller then Fraud is being
> committed and the bastards should be castrated (or worse), and the
> CEO and Directors of the carrier responsible for fraud getting
> through to the end-user should face the same penalty.
>
>       See then how quickly this gets fixed.  You will fall off your
> chair and it will be a "solved problem" before your arse hits the
> ground!
>
>       --
>       The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to
> Heaven says a lot about anticipated traffic volume.