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Re: power to the internet


From: Michael Thomas <mike () mtcc com>
Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2019 14:56:17 -0800


On 12/26/19 6:38 PM, Fred Baker wrote:
This time it’s PG&E all alone, but still fallout from back then. Too much liability and they’ve not maintained the infrastructure and so they decided that to reduce the liability costs it’s cheaper to blackout. Same story again different colors. PG&E making a mint while people get screwed (PG&E was mostly at the getting screwed end in 2000-2001)

PG&E has been the one in the news, but SCE appears to have been making the same choices with about the same effects. The Thomas Fire was briefly the largest wildfire in state history, and the source (well, with the rain) of the Montecito mud flow a few weeks later. We're told that SCE seems to figure in that one and several others before and since.

I go back and forth on who might be responsible. The electric utilities bear blame for their infrastructure; it should be underground, not strung from poles. I would put some to the state and the management of the various national forests and national parks in the area - one of the outcomes from a fire in 2007 or thereabouts was that the ecology folks had been protecting foliage, and that foliage burned and clogged streams, with all sorts of results. Surprise! If you're worried about ecology, you should support management of it. In California, there are also laws holding home-owners responsible for "defensible space" around their homes.


When I lived in Socal, we certainly had hellacious brush fires when the Santa Ana winds blew. I don't remember any/many of them being attributed SCE though? Maybe I just wasn't paying attention? Do remember anything about that, Fred? We've forever had an urban-wildland interface problem -- I mean, how many times has Malibu burned down, it seemed like every other year.

Apparently San Diego Gas and Electric has been something of a pioneer after the horrible Cedar fire, and apparently it's made a difference.

Mike


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