Re: Whats going on at Cogent

[Aaron1 <aaron1 () gvtc com>]

If he only uses a default route then his outbound routing won’t have anything to do with what destinations are closer, 
etc

Aaron

> On Oct 21, 2018, at 7:39 AM, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
>
> I guess first thing's first...  you aren't doing anything to force the traffic that way, are you?
>
> If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming over that Cogent.  :-)
>
> CAIDA says Cogent is bigger.
>
> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core
> http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core
>
> Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the most is where the next up connections to 
> Netflix, Google, Akamai, Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's where your 
> traffic will come from.
>
> Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that you're on, so that HE traffic very well could 
> be a majority Netflix.
>
> What do your netflows say?
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> -----
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
>
> The Brothers WISP
>
> From: "Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> To: nanog () nanog org
> Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
> Subject: Re: Whats going on at Cogent
>
> Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from 
> our Cogent link. This is inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of our inbound.
>
> Regards.
>
> Baldur
>
>
> > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com> wrote:
> > We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They are smaller (so are we). When there are 
> > issues they are real fast to fix them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others.
> >
> >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edugas () unknowndevice ca> wrote:
> > > I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing this for years... How about fixing it 
> > > already? Telling customer to get other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad.
> > >
> > > On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a good netcitizen. They've finally pushed 
> > > filtering for peers: http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some markets, they're the only 
> > > affordable IP transit providers.
> > >
> > > On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob.mac () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, 
> > > then they tell me to get a different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my traffic from 
> > > there.
> > >
> > > About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an increase in salespeople calling, for example when 
> > > an AS is registered etc. in addition to the normal calls..
> > >
> > > On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com> wrote:
> > >
> > > They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I 
> > > have yet to get another email.......
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com> wrote:
> > > Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he has no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue 
> > > so we’re slowly removing circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been stable.
> > >
> > >  
> > >
> > > Yep, this.  Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them. Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what 
> > > they do if i use a default route from them, is dead on arrival.  Shows they make bad decisions and dont put the 
> > > customer first, or even create such an illusion. 
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <ryan.g () atwgpc net>
> > > Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
> > > To: NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > > Subject: Whats going on at Cogent
> > >  
> > > Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account people at Cogent the last few months? Is there 
> > > something going on over there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap but in the past 
> > > their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad.
> > >  
> > > Regards,
> > > Ryan