Re: Whats going on at Cogent

[Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>]

It isn't IMO


Josh Luthman
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On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 11:32 AM, Ross Tajvar <ross () tajvar io> wrote:

> I am also interested in hearing about this. I think it's relevant to the
> current thread.
>
> On Tue, Oct 23, 2018, 11:22 AM Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
> wrote:
>
> > If there is history about HE I should know before signing up with them
> > I'd love to know off list.
> >
> > If it's just between you and HE I hope it wasn't too bad, and I'd be
> > happy to listen, but I don't feel like it's something you need to share at
> > all.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
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> > Direct: 937-552-2343
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> >
> > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
> >
> > > Cogent is bigger.
> > >
> > > HE is more widely peered, especially in IPv6.
> > >
> > > I may be somewhat prejudice, though I don’t work for HE any more. Most
> > > on this list know the history so I won’t repeat it here.
> > >
> > > Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 21, 2018, at 05:39 , Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:
> > >
> > > I guess first thing's first...  you aren't doing anything to force the
> > > traffic that way, are you?
> > >
> > > If you've got IPv6 deployed, chances are that no Google will be coming
> > > over that Cogent.  :-)
> > >
> > > CAIDA says Cogent is bigger.
> > >
> > > http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/174/as-core
> > > http://as-rank.caida.org/asns/6939/as-core
> > >
> > > Being an eyeball network, what's going to impact that kind of usage the
> > > most is where the next up connections to Netflix, Google, Akamai,
> > > Cloudflare, etc. are located. If they're closer via HE than Cogent, that's
> > > where your traffic will come from.
> > >
> > > Looking at your network specifically, Netflix isn't on either IX that
> > > you're on, so that HE traffic very well could be a majority Netflix.
> > >
> > > What do your netflows say?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Mike Hammett
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/>
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> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> > > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> > > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/>
> > > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>
> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>
> > > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>
> > > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>
> > > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>
> > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>
> > > ------------------------------
> > > *From: *"Baldur Norddahl" <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
> > > *To: *nanog () nanog org
> > > *Sent: *Sunday, October 21, 2018 3:20:12 AM
> > > *Subject: *Re: Whats going on at Cogent
> > >
> > > Is he.net smaller than Cogent? Over the past 24 hours we had 6.7 Gbps
> > > peak from our HE link and 336 Mbps peak from our Cogent link. This is
> > > inbound traffic. We are eyeballs and our outbound is a small fraction of
> > > our inbound.
> > >
> > > Regards.
> > >
> > > Baldur
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:17 PM Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > We have been very happy with HE. It was a no brainer over cogent. They
> > > > are smaller (so are we). When there are issues they are real fast to fix
> > > > them, you also get the personal touch which you don't get with others.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:10 AM, Eric Dugas <edugas () unknowndevice ca>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I don't really get the Cogent/Google peering issues. I've been hearing
> > > > > this for years... How about fixing it already? Telling customer to get
> > > > > other transit providers to get to a given network is really bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > On a side note, HE is still HE but they're trying really hard to be a
> > > > > good netcitizen. They've finally pushed filtering for peers:
> > > > > http://routing.he.net. I wouldn't get transit from them, but in some
> > > > > markets, they're the only affordable IP transit providers.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Oct 16 2018, at 10:04 am, DaKnOb <daknob.mac () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When I call and mention it I’m told that it’s HE’s fault (despite the
> > > > > lovely cake), but when I also bring Google, then they tell me to get a
> > > > > different provider just for this traffic, or meet them at an IX and send my
> > > > > traffic from there.
> > > > >
> > > > > About the staff rotation I’ve seen it too, and I’ve also seen an
> > > > > increase in salespeople calling, for example when an AS is registered etc.
> > > > > in addition to the normal calls..
> > > > >
> > > > > On 16 Oct 2018, at 16:54, Dovid Bender <dovid () telecurve com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > They call me every few months. the last time they emailed me I said I
> > > > > wasn't interested because of the HE issue. I have yet to get another
> > > > > email.......
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ca By <cb.list6 () gmail com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 5:16 AM David Hubbard <
> > > > > dhubbard () dino hostasaurus com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Have had the same sales rep for several years now; unfortunately he
> > > > > has no ability to fix their IPv6 peering issue so we’re slowly removing
> > > > > circuits, but otherwise for a handful of 10gig DIA circuits it’s been
> > > > > stable.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep, this.  Whenever Cogent calls, this is what i tell them.
> > > > > Black-holing HE and Google ipv6 traffic, which is what they do if i use a
> > > > > default route from them, is dead on arrival.  Shows they make bad decisions
> > > > > and dont put the customer first, or even create such an illusion.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *From: *NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Ryan Gelobter <
> > > > > ryan.g () atwgpc net>
> > > > > *Date: *Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 6:04 AM
> > > > > *To: *NANOG <nanog () nanog org>
> > > > > *Subject: *Whats going on at Cogent
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone else seen terrible support and high turnover of sales/account
> > > > > people at Cogent the last few months? Is there something going on over
> > > > > there internally? I'm sure some people will say Cogent has always been crap
> > > > > but in the past their account reps and support were pretty good. It seems
> > > > > to have gone downhill the last 12 months really bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Ryan