Re: Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet

[Rod Beck <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com>]

Unfortunately, the science community disagrees with Rob and you.


Have a great day, big guy.


Regards,


Roderick.


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From: Mel Beckman <mel () beckman org>
Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2018 6:16 PM
To: Rod Beck
Cc: Rob McEwen; nanog () nanog org
Subject: Re: Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet

Well, Rod, you just made a claim with zero support, while Rob provided accurate citations proving every one of his 
statements.

But it’s not wasting our time with the Fiber Optic Networks Are Doomed by Sea Level Rise society :)

See what I did there? I brought the discussion back to the original claim, which I think has now been finally 
thoroughly debunked. Sea levels no more threaten the Internet than marshmallows. Less, probably :)

 -mel

> On Jul 26, 2018, at 9:08 AM, Rod Beck <rod.beck () unitedcablecompany com> wrote:
>
> Well, Rob, you are wrong on almost every point. But it is not wasting our time with the Flat Earth society.
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Roderick.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: NANOG <nanog-bounces () nanog org> on behalf of Rob McEwen <rob () invaluement com>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 4:52 AM
> To: nanog () nanog org
> Subject: Re: Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet
>
> For the past 100+ years, the sea levels have been rising by about 2-4 mm
> per year. If you go to the following two sites:
>
> https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html
[http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/apple-icon-144x144.png]<https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html>

Is sea level rising? - NOAA's National Ocean Service<https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html>
oceanservice.noaa.gov
There is strong evidence that sea level is rising and will continue to rise this century at increasing rates.


> [http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/apple-icon-144x144.png]<https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html>
>
> Is sea level rising? - NOAA's National Ocean Service<https://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/sealevel.html>
> oceanservice.noaa.gov
> There is strong evidence that sea level is rising and will continue to rise this century at increasing rates.
>
>
> https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/
>
> You'll see all kinds of scary language about dire predictions about how
> the sea levels are rising and accelerating. And you'll see SCARY charts
> that look like Mt. Everest. But when you dig into the actual data,
> you'll find that there MIGHT have been (at most!) a CUMULATIVE 1mm/year
> acceleration... but even that took about 4 decades to materialize, it
> could be somewhat within the margin of error, and it might be a part of
> the fake data that often drives this debate. Meanwhile, global warming
> alarmists have ALREADY made MANY dire predictions about oceans levels
> rising - that ALREADY didn't even come close to true.
>
> The bottom line is that there is no trend of recently observed sea level
> rising data that is even close to being on track to hit all these dire
> predictions within the foreseeable future. And even as the West has
> reduced (or lessened the acceleration of) CO2 emissions - this has been
> easily made up for by the CO2 emission increases caused by the
> modernization of China and India in recent decades.
>
> And, again, there were articles like this 10, 15, and even 20 years ago
> that made very similar predictions - that didn't happen. So, it is hard
> to believe that the dire predictions in this article could come true in
> 15 years.
>
> But I suppose that it might be a good idea to take inventory of the
> absolute lowest altitude cables and make sure that they are not
> vulnerable to the type of flooding that might happen more often after a
> few decades from now after the ocean has further risen about 2 inches?
> But the sky is not falling anytime soon.
>
> Rob McEwen
>
>
> > On 7/22/2018 9:01 PM, Sean Donelan wrote:
> > https://www.popsci.com/sea-level-rise-internet-infrastructure
> >
> > Rising sea levels are going to mess with the internet, sooner than you
> > think
> >
> > [...]
> > Despite its magnitude, this network is increasingly vulnerable to sea
> > levels inching their way higher, according to research presented at an
> > academic conference in Montreal this week. The findings estimate that
> > within 15 years, thousands of miles of what should be land-bound
> > cables in the United States will be submerged underwater.
> >
> > “Most of the climate change-related impacts are going to happen very
> > soon,” says Paul Barford, a computer scientist at the University of
> > Wisconsin and lead author of the paper.
> > [...]
>
> --
> Rob McEwen