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Re: Broadcast television in an IP world


From: Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 16:00:25 +0100

The point is that you need to build the network to handle peak load of OTT
streaming. If the network can handle major releases like a new season of
Game of Thrones, then the network has the capacity to handle live events
streamed the same way. It does not matter how you paid for that capacity.

If you truly want to save a buildout at the edge, you need cache servers
deeper into the network.

Game of Thrones might not be as big as Super Bowl, but we will get there
eventually. When we do, there is money to be saved by only managing one
type of network (unicast).

Den 21. nov. 2017 15.29 skrev "Luke Guillory" <lguillory () reservetele com>:

The comment I was originally replying to was the following. I’ve said edge
resources, nothing about WAN.

The content provider (lets say local TV station that broadcasts the

Superbowl) can just unicast to the ISP a single stream, and give the

ISPs some pizza sized box (lets call it an "Appliance") and that box

then provides unicast delivery to each customer watching the Superbowl.





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On Nov 21, 2017, at 8:22 AM, K. Scott Helms <kscotthelms () gmail com> wrote:

It's not helpful for saving resources in DOCSIS (nor any other) edge
networks.  The economics mean that, as bits get sold in the US and many
other places, it won't be in the foreseeable future.  Customers care about
popular video sources.  Popular content sources have CDNs with local nodes
and/or direct (low cost) connections to their CDN.  That's far more
efficient than allowing multicast across WAN links.

K. Scott Helms



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On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 8:58 AM, Luke Guillory <lguillory () reservetele com>
wrote:

I’m not paying anything for local resources with regards to local edge
delivery, that’s capital expenditures not MRCs.

Our edge networks aren’t unlimited or free, so while it’s not costing me
on the transit side there still are cost in terms of upgrades and so on.

My point is that In some networks such as docsis conserving edge
resources can be helped with multicast.



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On Nov 21, 2017, at 4:12 AM, Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com
<mailto:baldur.norddahl () gmail com>> wrote:

Den 21. nov. 2017 00.42 <20%2017%2000%2042> skrev "Luke Guillory" <
lguillory () reservetele com<mailto:lguillory () reservetele com>>:

Why would an ISP not want to conserve edge resources? If I’m doing iptv
I’m
better off doing multicast which would conserve loads of BW for something
popular like the Super Bowl. Especially if I’m doing this over docsis.



You pay for 95th percentile. If that is decided by everyone watching Game
of Thrones one day, then using the same resources for Super Bowl the next
day will be for free.




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