Re: Purchased IPv4 Woes

[Josh Reynolds <josh () kyneticwifi com>]

Just because he choose poorly with his email provider doesn't mean he
should be allowed to be exploited Mike, although a friendly ribbing is
still justified IMO ;)

On Mar 20, 2017 9:27 AM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> wrote:

> He did mention Hotmail.
>
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> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange
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> The Brothers WISP
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> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Josh Reynolds" <josh () kyneticwifi com>
> To: "Justin Wilson" <lists () mtin net>
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 9:06:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Purchased IPv4 Woes
>
> Would you mind naming the company so that they can be publicly shamed? That
> is nothing sort of extortion.
>
> On Mar 19, 2017 10:36 PM, "Justin Wilson" <lists () mtin net> wrote:
>
> > Then you have the lists which want money to be removed. I have an IP that
> > was blacklisted by hotmail. Just a single IP. I have gone through the
> > procedures that are referenced in the return e-mails. No response. My
> > next step says something about a $2500 fee to have it investigated. I
> know
> > several blacklists which are this way. Luckily, many admins do not use
> > such lists.
> >
> >
> > Justin Wilson
> > j2sw () mtin net
> >
> > ---
> > http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO
> > xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth
> >
> > http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman
> > Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric
> >
> > > On Mar 12, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Bob Evans <bob () FiberInternetCenter com>
> > wrote:
> > > Pete's right about how IPs get put on the lists. In fact, let us not
> > > forget that these lists were mostly created with volunteers - some
> still
> > > today. Many are very old lists. Enterprise networks select lists by
> some
> > > sort of popularity / fame - etc.. Like how they decide to install
> 8.8.8.8
> > > as first - its easy and they think its better than their local ISP they
> > > pay.... yet they always call the ISP about slowness when 8.8.8.8 is for
> > > consumers and doesn't always resolve quickly. It's a tough sale.
> > >
> > > Once had a customer's employee abuse their mail server - it made some
> > > lists. Customer complained our network is hosting spammers and sticking
> > > them in the middle of a problem that is our networks. Hard win. Took us
> > > months to get that IP off lists. That was one single IP. We did not
> allow
> > > them to renew their contract once the term was over. Now, they suffer
> > with
> > > comcast for business. ;-)
> > >
> > > Thank You
> > > Bob Evans
> > > CTO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 12 Mar 2017, Pete Baldwin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > So this is is really the question I had, and this is why I was
> > > > > wanting to
> > > > > start a dialog here, hoping that it wasn't out of line for the list.
> I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > know of a way to let a bunch of operators know that they should
> remove
> > > > > something without using something like this mailing list.
> > Blacklists
> > > > > are
> > > > > supposed to fill this role so that one operator doesn't have to try
> and
> > > > > contact thousands of other operators individually, he/she just has to
> > > > > appeal
> > > > > to the blacklist and once delisted all should be well in short order.
> > > > >
> > > > > In cases where companies have their own internal lists, or only
> > > > > update
> > > > > them a couple of times a year from the major lists, I don't know of
> > > > > another
> > > > > way to notify everyone.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect you'll find many of the private "blacklistings" are hand
> > > > maintained (added to as needed, never removed from unless requested)
> and
> > > > you'll need to play whack-a-mole, reaching out to each network as you
> > find
> > > > they have the space blocked on their mail servers or null routed on
> > their
> > > > networks. I doubt your message here will be seen by many of the "right
> > > > people." How many company mail server admins read NANOG? How many
> > > > companies even do email in-house and have mail server admins anymore?
> :)
> > > > Back when my [at that time] employer was issued some of 69/8, I found
> it
> > > > useful to setup a host with IPs in 69/8 and in one of our older IP
> > blocks,
> > > > and then do both automated reachability testing and allow anyone to
> do a
> > > > traceroute from both source IPs simultaneously, keeping the results
> in a
> > > > DB. If you find there are many networks actually null routing your
> > > > purchased space, you might setup something similar.
> > > >
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