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Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble
From: Brett Frankenberger <rbf+nanog () panix com>
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 17:41:47 -0600
On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 at 12:18:48PM -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
I repeat something I've said a couple times in this thread: If I can somehow create two docs with the same hash, and somehow con someone into using one of them, chances are there are bigger problems than a SHA1 hash collision. If you assume I could somehow get Verisign to use a cert I created to match another cert with the same hash, why in the hell would that matter? I HAVE THE ONE VERISIGN IS USING. Game over. Valdis came up with a possible use of such documents. While I do not think there is zero utility in those instances, they are pretty small vectors compared to, say, having a root cert at a major CA.
I want a google.com cert. I ask a CA to sign my fake google.com certificate. They decline, because I can't prove I control google.com. I create a cert for mydomain.com,that hashes to the same value as my fake google.com cret. I ask a CA to sign my mydomain.com cert. They do, because I can prove I control mydomain.com. Now I effectively have a signed google.com cert. Of course, SHA1 is already deprecated for this purpose, and the currently demonstrated attack isn't flexible enough to have much chance at getting a colliding certificate signed. So, practically speaking, this isn't a problem *today* (even if SHA1 were deprecated). So this is more of a "here's the sort of thing collision attacks can be used for" point, rather than "here's what you can do with this attack right now" point. -- Brett
Current thread:
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble, (continued)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Vincent Bernat (Feb 24)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Patrick W. Gilmore (Feb 24)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Ricky Beam (Feb 23)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble valdis . kletnieks (Feb 23)
- RE: SHA1 collisions proven possisble David Edelman (Feb 23)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Lyndon Nerenberg (Feb 23)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Florian Weimer (Feb 24)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Jimmy Hess (Feb 25)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Patrick W. Gilmore (Feb 26)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Nick Hilliard (Feb 26)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Brett Frankenberger (Feb 26)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Matt Palmer (Feb 26)
- RE: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Keith Medcalf (Feb 26)
- RE: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Jon Lewis (Feb 27)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble valdis . kletnieks (Feb 27)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Patrick W. Gilmore (Feb 26)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Eitan Adler (Feb 26)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Randy Bush (Feb 27)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Matt Palmer (Feb 26)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble valdis . kletnieks (Feb 27)
- Re: SHA1 collisions proven possisble Chris Adams (Feb 27)