Re: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

"Net Neutrality" - where only one party in the flow of bits could *possibly* be negligent, malicious, etc. 




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Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Midwest-IX 
http://www.midwest-ix.com 

----- Original Message -----

From: "Michael Crapse" <michael () wi-fiber io> 
To: "Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf () dessus com> 
Cc: nanog () nanog org 
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 8:03:27 PM 
Subject: Re: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others 

I was being playful with the whole "law" thing. 
I doubt the users would be able to sue me due to title 2 roll backs. "Net 
Neutrality" allows ISPs to block any service they deem fit, right? So the 
first step wouldn't even get past discovery to get to court. Anyhow, it 
would be sufficiently beneficial if we just had a single contact within 
hulu. It would be even better if hulu came into the 21st century and 
supported IPv6 like any other modern service. 
For others who need this resolved for hulu, these are the subnets I 
NATed/VPNed to get it working. 
8.28.124.0/23 
23.0.0.0/8 
184.84.0.0/14 
199.60.116.0/24 
199.127.192.0/22 
199.200.48.0/22 
208.91.156.0/22 
208.98.171.96/27 

Michael 

On 26 December 2017 at 18:54, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf () dessus com> wrote: 

> No, because you have no cause of action known to law. You are not a 
> customer of Hulu and have no right of action. 
>
> However, your "users" could sue you for failing to provide proper service 
> or perhaps otherwise cause you to suffer damages. 
>
> In the former case you could file a defense and cross-claim against Hulu 
> claiming that it is their problem, and that not only are they responsible 
> for the claims made against you, they are also liable for your costs and so 
> on and so forth. 
>
> In the latter case where you suffer damages as a result of Hulu's actions 
> (or inactions) resulting in damage to you, you could sue them on the basis 
> of tortuous interference for their actions. 
>
> Of course, Hulu will simply claim that you are negligent and just in case 
> file a third party claim against whomever is providing them with false 
> information and thus tortuously interfering with their business. 
>
> Over the course of the following several years nothing will be done to 
> correct the issue, your customers will abandon you and go elsewhere, and in 
> the end no one will get anywhere except the lawyers who will now be able to 
> afford to buy a few more yachts each. 
>
> --- 
> The fact that there's a Highway to Hell but only a Stairway to Heaven says 
> a lot about anticipated traffic volume. 
>
>
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of Michael 
> > Crapse 
> > Sent: Tuesday, 26 December, 2017 12:42 
> > To: Sam Norris 
> > Cc: NANOG list 
> > Subject: Re: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others 
> >
> > I would like to know, Is there any legal recourse we can take against 
> > such 
> > a company consistently ignoring whitelist requests? 
> > Currently, the only way my customers can connect to hulu without 
> > getting a 
> > vpn error is by using a vpn. On my end, i have just started NATing 
> > all 
> > requests to HULU through the few good IPs that I have. 
> >
> > On 26 December 2017 at 11:12, Sam Norris <Sam () sandiegobroadband com> 
> > wrote: 
> >
> > > Anyone figure this out? I need to get our prefixes updated as well 
> > as 
> > > they are 
> > > detecting our customers in the wrong city. 
> > >
> > > Sam 
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message----- 
> > > > From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org] On Behalf Of 
> > > > lists () silverlakeinternet com 
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:28 PM 
> > > > To: Mike Hammett 
> > > > Cc: nanog () nanog org 
> > > > Subject: Re: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others 
> > > >
> > > > I could use a contact for all of these as well. I have been 
> > trying to 
> > > > get my subnet unblocked with all of these providers and have 
> > reached out 
> > > > in many ways to all of them over the past few months, but never 
> > get a 
> > > > response. 
> > > >
> > > > Thank you, 
> > > > Brett A Mansfield 
> > > >
> > > > On 2017-12-15 19:57, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> > > > > Bump for Hulu. 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- 
> > > > > Mike Hammett 
> > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > > > >
> > > > > Midwest Internet Exchange 
> > > > >
> > > > > The Brothers WISP 
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "Michael Crapse" <michael () wi-fiber io> 
> > > > > To: nanog () nanog org 
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 3:38:20 PM 
> > > > > Subject: Geolocation: IPv4 Subnet blocked by HULU, and others 
> > > > >
> > > > > I am a local WISP. And my customers have trouble reaching Hulu, 
> > Disney 
> > > > > now, 
> > > > > and previously netflix and amazon prime(both resolved). 
> > > > > I have emailed, mailed, and called both HULU and Disney now to 
> > get my 
> > > > > 196.53.96.0/22 subnet unblacklisted as a VPN provider(no longer 
> > so) 
> > > > > from 
> > > > > their services. They have replied saying it takes 3-5 days to 
> > resolve 
> > > > > the 
> > > > > issue, that was several weeks ago. Can i get contact from those 
> > two 
> > > > > services that can help my customers reach their services, thank 
> > you. 
> > > > > Thank you for the help. 
> > > > > -Michael