RE: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

[Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com>]

Scott,

You are being absurd. The number of Netflix customers using 6in4 tunnels has to be in the 0.0001% territory of their 
users. They would be committing business malpractice to risk their contracts with content providers to provide access 
to that negligent amount of users. It’s not laziness to look at the risk versus rewards and decide it isn’t worth it 
from a business practice.

Yes, they could work with tunnel brokers and VPN provides and come up with some way of communicating GEOIP information, 
but even if the content providers were okay with that the cost involved versus the number of users they would impact 
would never make it worth their wile.

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From: Scott Morizot [mailto:tmorizot () gmail com]
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 11:04 AM
To: Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com>
Cc: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu>; NANOG list <nanog () nanog org>
Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed

Nonsense. That is hardly their only option as many others have pointed out. It's a deliberate and technically lazy 
choice to block 6in4 tunnels. Those are not even vaguely the same thing as a VPN. They've decided to break normal IPv6 
support and do so in a way that does not even fall back to IPv4. They deserve all the bad publicity that comes with 
such a anti-customer decision and the blame for their implementation choices cannot be passed back to the content 
providers.

Scott

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:59 AM, Matthew Huff <mhuff () ox com<mailto:mhuff () ox com>> wrote:
Netflix IS acting in their user's best interest. In order to provide content that the user's want, the content 
providers have mandated that they do their due diligence to block out of region users including VPN and open tunnel 
access. As Hulu and Amazon prime become more popular and their contracts with the content provides come due, they will 
have to also.

You can argue about the content provides business model all you want, but Netflix has to do what they are doing. They 
aren't blocking IPv6 users, they are blocking users that are using VPNs and/or tunnels since their currently is no 
practical way of providing GEOIP information about that users that the content providers require.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org<mailto:nanog-bounces () nanog org>] On Behalf Of Scott Morizot
> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2016 10:50 AM
> To: Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu<mailto:mark.tinka () seacom mu>>
> Cc: NANOG list <nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>>
> Subject: Re: Netflix VPN detection - actual engineer needed
>
> I have Hulu Plus and Amazon Prime. The only thing I would miss from
> Netflix
> is their Marvel original series. And I can live with that. I can't live
> without my IPv6 enabled home network and Internet connection since
> that's
> an essential part of my job. (I'm the IPv6 transition technical lead
> for a
> large organization.) While I actually manage my home internet gateway
> through a linux server and have fine-grained control over the firewall
> rules, I'm still debating whether I care enough about a handful of
> series
> to continue paying a company that is deliberately acting against its
> users'
> interests. Right now I'm leaning toward no. But I'll discuss it with my
> wife before making a final decision.
>
> Scott
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Mark Tinka <mark.tinka () seacom mu<mailto:mark.tinka () seacom mu>>
> wrote:
>
> > On 6/Jun/16 01:45, Damian Menscher wrote:
> >
> > > Who are these non-technical Netflix users who accidentally stumbled
> into
> > > having a HE tunnel broker connection without their knowledge?  I
> wasn't
> > > aware this sort of thing could happen without user consent, and
> would
> > like
> > > to know if I'm wrong.  Only thing I can imagine is if ISPs are
> using HE
> > as
> > > a form of CGN.
> >
> > There are several networks around the world that rely on 6-in-4
> because
> > their local provider does not offer IPv6.
> >
> > Mark.