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Re: Verizon Policy Statement on Net Neutrality


From: Daniel Taylor <dtaylor () vocalabs com>
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2015 08:22:11 -0600

I'm clearly not a normal user, or I wouldn't be here.
Normal users have never experienced high-speed symmetrical service.

People don't miss what they have never had.

On 03/02/2015 08:09 AM, Scott Helms wrote:

That's not the norm for consumers, but the important thing to understand is that for most of the technologies we use for broadband there simply is less upstream capacity than downstream. That upstream scarcity means that for DSL, DOCSIS, PON, WiFi, and LTE delivering symmetrical upstream bandwidth will cost the service provider more which means at some point it will cost consumers more.

WiFi is a special case, while there is no theoretical reason it must be asymmetrical but it works that way in practice because dedicated APs invariably have both higher transmit power and much better antenna gain. The average AP in the US will put out a watt or more while clients are putting out ~250 milliwatts and with 0 antenna gain.

On Mar 2, 2015 8:58 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor () vocalabs com <mailto:dtaylor () vocalabs com>> wrote:

    Personally?
    If the price were the same, I'd go with 50/50.

    That way my uploads would take even less time.

    It isn't about the averaged total, it's about how long each event
    takes, and backing up 4GB of files off-site shouldn't have to take
    an hour.

    On 02/27/2015 03:11 PM, Scott Helms wrote:

        Daniel,


        "50MB/s might be tough to fill, but even at home I can get
        good use out of the odd 25MB/s upstream burst for a few minutes."

        Which would you choose, 50/50 or 75/25?  My point is not that
        upstream speed isn't valuable, but merely that demand for it
        isn't symmetrical and unless the market changes won't be in
        the near term.  Downstream demand is growing, in most markets
        I can see, much faster than upstream demand.



        Scott Helms
        Vice President of Technology
        ZCorum
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    Laboratories, Inc.
    dtaylor () vocalabs com <mailto:dtaylor () vocalabs com>
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