Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

[John Fraizer <john () op-sec us>]

Bill,

Stop now! You just made me spew beer in all directions out my nose!  I have
no doubt that there is a home for you @ eBay if you ever desire it.

John Fraizer
--Sent from my Android phone.
Please excuse any typos.
On Jun 6, 2015 8:57 PM, "manning" <bmanning () karoshi com> wrote:

> i’ll never make it past the telephone screen….
>
> manning
> bmanning () karoshi com
> PO Box 12317
> Marina del Rey, CA 90295
> 310.322.8102
>
>
>
> On 6June2015Saturday, at 19:17, John Fraizer <john () op-sec us> wrote:
>
> > Just to be clear, CERTS are NOT a requirement for these positions. They
> > will head-of-line someone for a phone screen. THAT IS ALL!  And if you've
> > got a cert, you had better know your stuff because if your cert says
> you're
> > an EXPERT.  I'm gonna expect you to be one!
> >
> > John Fraizer
> > --Sent from my Android phone.
> > Please excuse any typos.
> > On Jun 6, 2015 5:50 PM, "Randy" <randy_94108 () yahoo com> wrote:
> >
> > > $employers don't help in this regard either by requiring said certs.
> Such
> > > requirements; IMO, lead to folks preparing/passing such tests just for
> > > $day_job only without any real desire to understand how
> > > things-actually-work&why.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: John Fraizer <john () op-sec us>
> > > To: Łukasz Bromirski <lukasz () bromirski net>
> > > Cc: nanog () nanog org
> > > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2015 5:55 PM
> > > Subject: Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...
> > >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > > It's just a piece of paper in my opinion.  A person either knows their
> > > stuff or they don't.  Less than 5min on a phone screen and I will know
> if
> > > they "bought" their certification(s) or earned them.  Sadly, I've
> spoken to
> > > far too many who give some validation to Jared's comment. I'm wondering
> how
> > > many proctors have been paid off or if people are buying fake id's for
> > > smart people and paying them to sit for the tests posing as them.
> > >
> > > John Fraizer
> > > --Sent from my Android phone.
> > > Please excuse any typos.
> > > On Jun 5, 2015 5:45 PM, "Łukasz Bromirski" <lukasz () bromirski net>
> wrote:
> > > > > On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john () op-sec us> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> > > > piece
> > > > > > of paper every time!
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you please put these at the back of the line?  My experience is
> > > that
> > > > > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of
> actual
> > > > > troubleshooting skills.  (or my standards of what defines “expert” are
> > > > > different than the rest of the world).
> > > >
> > > > Jared, don’t generalize.
> > > >
> > > > True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not
> > > > start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> > > > didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
> > > >
> > > > —
> > > > CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> > > > (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)