Re: eBay is looking for network heavies...

[Brandon Ross <bross () pobox com>]

I also concur.  There is most certainly a negative correlation between 
certs and clue in my experience, having met 10s of certificate holders.

Long ago when the MCSE was more popular, I actually started putting "MCSE 
need not apply" on job postings because everyone I interviewed that had 
one was not just clue challenged, but had negative clue.

On Fri, 5 Jun 2015, jim deleskie wrote:

> Based on the number of "certified" people I've interviewed over the last
> 20yr, my default view lines up with Jared's 100%
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 10:38 PM, Mike Hale <eyeronic.design () gmail com>
> wrote:
>
> > We need a pool on what percentage of readers just googled traceroute.
> > On Jun 5, 2015 6:28 PM, <nanog () cdl asgaard org> wrote:
> >
> > > On 5 Jun 2015, at 17:45, Łukasz Bromirski wrote:
> > >
> > >  On 06 Jun 2015, at 02:26, Jared Mauch <jared () puck nether net> wrote:
> > > > >  On Jun 5, 2015, at 7:13 PM, John Fraizer <john () op-sec us> wrote:
> > > > > > Head of line for CCIE / JNCIE but knowledge and experience trumps a
> > > > > > piece
> > > > > > of paper every time!
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you please put these at the back of the line?  My experience is
> > that
> > > > > the cisco certification (at least) is evidence of the absence of actual
> > > > > troubleshooting skills.  (or my standards of what defines “expert” are
> > > > > different than the rest of the world).
> > > >
> > > > Jared, don’t generalize.
> > > >
> > > > True - there are people that are ‘paper’ CCIE/JNCIEs - but let’s not
> > > > start a rant unless you've met tens of CCIEs/JNCIEs and all of them
> > > > didn’t know a jack. About troubleshooting.
> > >
> > > 't
> > >
> > > We had one CCIE at a previous job who just didn't "click" no matter how
> > > much we tried to train on the architecture.  Eventually in one backbone
> > > event, he kept saying that the problem couldn't be with a given router
> > > because "traceroute worked."  When it was pointed out that the potential
> > > fault wouldn't cause traceroute to fail, we got a very puzzled look.  We
> > > then asked him to explain how traceroute worked.  He spectacularly
> > failed.
> > > It became a tongue-in-cheek interview question.  What was boggling was
> > the
> > > number of *IE's that failed trying to explain traceroute's mechanics.
> > >
> > > My test, as crass as it is.  If your CV headlines with a JCIE/CCIE, I am
> > > pretty certain that you have very little real-world experience.  If it's
> > a
> > > footnote somewhere, that's ok.
> > >
> > >         Christopher
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > —
> > > > CCIE #15929 R&S/SP, CCDE #2012::17
> > > > (not that I’d know anything about troubleshooting of course)
> > >
> > >
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