Re: Dual stack IPv6 for IPv4 depletion

[Baldur Norddahl <baldur.norddahl () gmail com>]

Den 09/07/2015 18.08 skrev "Owen DeLong" <owen () delong com>:

> > That will never happen. If you offer me $1000 per IPv4, then I will
happily
> > terminate some user contracts and sell their IP space to you…
>
> Eventually, you run out of user contracts to terminate.

At $1000 per contract I do not care. I will retire and be happy.

Seriously ISPs are often valued by number of active contracts. A typical
value might be $100 to $200. The value of an IPv4 address can not go any
higher than this because at that point you can buy another company just to
get the addresses.

> > In fact it will never become even that expensive. With a marked price of
> > $10 I am buying IP space for customers as needed and I will include free
> > space in the contracts. If the price went to $100 I would tell all users
> > that they need to pay monthly rent for their IP or alternative, the user
> > would have to accept carrier NAT in some form. And then I would proceed
to
> > buy a new house for the money I make by selling address space.
>
> Sure, but aren’t your customers going to start demanding IPv6 instead of
that at some point?

My customers have been demanding IPv6 for some time already.

> Aren’t they going to start insisting on a service that doesn’t charge per
address?

They will have their free IPv6 and will care less about a non shared IPv4.
This will cause the valuation of IPv4 to crash at some point because the
demand will disappear.

> > There is a ton of address space that is inefficient used. We will be
able
> > to buy excess from companies that "create" space by optimizing their
> > existing space. There is a reason we have not seen any rise in the price
> > even after multiple years with depletion in large parts of the world.
>
> Yes… It’s called “soft landing”… ARIN will be the first region to deplete
without significant
> austerity policies for newcomers to get address space.

RIPE gives you 1k addresses. This is not enough even for two guys and a
router. But yes it is a nice token.

The big companies have now gone without new space for a while. Just a few
months ago I bought 2k addresses at $6 per address. I do not observe any
rising tendency in IPv4 pricing.

Regards

Baldur