Re: Low cost WDM gear

[Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net>]

Multiple 10G, yes. I'll reach out to the vendors mentioned to see how they line up, but it looks like I need to look 
into amps for the passive gear. There's 8 huts between the two ends, so no shortage of opportunities to amplify the 
signal. I'll know more about that when I get the amount of loss along the route. 

Most people I know leasing circuits are doing so because dark isn't available or is otherwise ass expensive due to 
above shortage. The last quote I got for dark out of a useful facility was like $2M. 100+ miles was like $200k, the 
last 10 miles or whatever was the balance. Even $100k for gear (two sides and some amps) pales in comparison to $2k+ a 
month for the next 20 years for a single channel. 




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Mike Hammett 
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----- Original Message -----

From: "Phil Bedard" <bedard.phil () gmail com> 
To: "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net>, "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 1:17:48 PM 
Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear 

Is this for 10G? I'm kind of assuming 10G. What kind of equipment is 
being plugged into these? 300km is way beyond what you'll get with a 
passive solution, it's definitely in the "long-haul" terrtory. If you are 
launching out of a router the best pluggable optic you can generally get 
is rated at 80km, 10GBase-ZR, but even a passive mux at each end shaves 
some of that distance off. 

300km is going to require amplifiers at intervals across the span. Who is 
providing the fiber? I'd start talking to traditional transport vendors. 
Ekinops as mentioned is probably decent at a lower price, Adva works well 
and isn't all that expensive, even Cisco has gear reasonably priced. If 
you want to cover 300km on a fiber span though "cheap" isn't really a word 
I would describe. It's why people lease circuits. :) 

Phil 



On 2/7/15, 18:04, "Mike Hammett" <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 

> One particular route I'm looking at is 185 miles, so of the options 
> presented 300 km is closest. ;-) 
>
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> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
>
> From: "Christopher Morrow" <morrowc.lists () gmail com> 
> To: "Kenneth McRae" <kenneth.mcrae () me com> 
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog () nanog org> 
> Sent: Saturday, February 7, 2015 12:02:11 PM 
> Subject: Re: Low cost WDM gear 
>
> would be good for mike to define 'long distances' here, is it: 
> 2km 
> 30km 
> 300km 
> 3000km 
>
> Probably the 30-60k range is what you mean by 'long distances' but... 
> clarity might help. 
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:55 PM, Kenneth McRae <kenneth.mcrae () me com> 
> wrote: 
> > Mike, 
> >
> > I just replaced a bunch of FiberStore WDM passive muxes with OSI 
> > Hardware 
> > equipment. The FiberStore gear was a huge disappointment (excessive 
> > loss, 
> > poor technical support, refusal to issue refund without threatening 
> > legal 
> > action, etc.). I have had good results from the OSI equipment so far. I 
> > run passive muxes for CWDM (8 - 16 channels). 
> >
> > On Feb 07, 2015, at 09:51 AM, Manuel Marín <mmg () transtelco net> wrote: 
> >
> > Hi Mike 
> >
> > I can recommend a couple of vendors that provide cost effective 
> > solutions. 
> > Ekinops & Packetlight. 
> >
> > On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Mike Hammett <nanog () ics-il net> wrote: 
> >
> > I know there are various Asian vendors for low cost (less than $500) 
> > muxes 
> > to throw 16 or however many colors onto a strand. However, they don't 
> > work 
> > so well when you don't control the optics used on both sides (therefore 
> > must use standard wavelengths), obviously only do a handful of channels 
> > and 
> > have a distance limitation. 
> > What solutions are out there that don't cost an arm and a leg? 
> > ----- 
> > Mike Hammett 
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> > http://www.ics-il.com 
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