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Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch
From: Rahul Sawarkar <srahul.in () gmail com>
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:18:57 +0530
Systemd Blackhole is a very apt term as I am discovering. I was once a linuxfromscratch "superuser" 10 years back, in a sense that if anyone asked me the location of a lib.so and how to resolve a version mismatch, I could fix it in a matter of minutes even if woken up at 4am in the morning. Likewise for almost any other complex debugging challenge. Take it with a pinch of salt though - it is more a statement of my confidence in my own abilities then, than something absolute and ahistorical. I have since downgraded to being a mere power user over the years who just wants to get the job done with the focus being my objective as an end-user. Right now I am having difficulty auto mounting an NFS partition at boot from /etc/fstab, and systemd isn't telling me if it even attempted to and why it failed. Google and wiki isn't helping either. No log line ...absolutely nothing. A manual "mount -a" works flawlessly. In the older days I would read a log line and navigate to the init script if I had to, read and understand the sequencing and dependencies and learn to fix things. Right now I am clueless and helpless. My confidence about fixing problems on a Linux with systemd is very low. I am reduced to being a Googler searching for answers in the unknown rather than upgrade my skills level back to where I was earlier. I am glad this topic came up and I discovered early enough that there now has to be a strategic choice and decision making I need to make in the Linux world that is not going to be a dead-end for me if I choose to go the init way - one that stays loyal to the original Unix philosophy. I am glad to hear there is a substantial movement and backing for this that might pave the way for a non -systemd alternative. I wonder what Mr. Linus Trovaldis himself thinks on this matter though. I am curious to find out. Rahul Sent from MiPad On Oct 22, 2014 1:18 AM, "Jim Popovitch" <jimpop () gmail com> wrote:
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Eugeniu Patrascu <eugen () imacandi net> wrote:I think systemd wants to become the next Emacs ;))Or the next user activity collection point. Systemd really is a black hole to 99.9% of the people who will use/deploy it... seems perfect for lots of things. -Jim P.
Current thread:
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT], (continued)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT] Lamar Owen (Oct 27)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT] Jimmy Hess (Oct 25)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT] Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 26)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch [OT] Tim Franklin (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Rich Kulawiec (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Stephen Satchell (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Barry Shein (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Barry Shein (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Eugeniu Patrascu (Oct 21)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jim Popovitch (Oct 21)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Rahul Sawarkar (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch joe mcguckin (Oct 21)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jimmy Hess (Oct 21)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Matt Palmer (Oct 21)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Andre Tomt (Oct 22)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch * (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jim Popovitch (Oct 23)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Valdis . Kletnieks (Oct 23)
- RE: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Jeff Masiello (Oct 24)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Matt Palmer (Oct 21)
- Re: Linux: concerns over systemd adoption and Debian's decision to switch Miles Fidelman (Oct 21)