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Re: Verizon Public Policy on Netflix
From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 22:08:12 -0400 (EDT)
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From: nanog () brettglass com
This is Brett Glass; I have been alerted to some of the responses to my message (which was cross-posted by a third party) and have temporarily joined the list to chime in. The following is my response to his message, edited slightly to include some new information.
Well, they were actually responses to *my* message, which made a fundamental point which you carefully don't address here at all, amongst what our British counterparts would probably term your whinging. :-)
If Netflix were a good citizen, it would (a) let ISPs cache content; (b) pay them equitably for direct connections (smaller and more remote ISPs have higher costs per customer and should get MORE per account than Comcast, rather than receiving nothing); and (c) work with ISPs to develop updated technology that makes streaming more efficient. Bandwidth is expensive, and unicast streaming without caching is by far the most inefficient conceivable way of delivering "fat" content to the consumer.
Bandwidth is expensive. Given. You made the wrong gamble on how asymmetrical your customers connections would *really* be. But that doesn't make that traffic *not be* -- as your brothers in the telco arm would phrase it -- "at your customers' instance", rather than, as your arguments all assume, at Netflix's. About 80% of so of the responses I've seen here agree that's a reasonable view of the situation... so we'll for the moment assume that you didn't address it because you *can't* address it. Care to differ? Cheers, -- jra [ As you might imagine, this is a bit of a hobby horse for me; Verizon's behavior about municipally owned fiber, and it's attempts to convert post- Sandy customers in NYS from regulated copper to unregulated FiOS service leave a pretty bad taste in my mouth about VZN. ] -- Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra () baylink com Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100 Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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