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Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification]
From: Leo Bicknell <bicknell () ufp org>
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 08:22:28 -0700
In a message written on Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 12:54:18PM -0400, John Curran wrote:
I believe that the percentage which _expects_ unabridged connectivity today is quite high, but that does not necessarily mean actual _demand_ (i.e. folks who go out and make the necessary arrangements despite the added cost and hassle...)
Actually, I think most of the people who care have made alternate arrangements, but I have to back up first. Like most of the US, I live in a area with a pair of providers, BigCable and BigTelco. The reality of those two providers is that from my house they both run down the same backyard. The both go to pedistals next to each other at the edge of the neighborhood. They both ride the same poles down towards the center of town. At some point they finally diverge, to two different central offices. About 80% of the time when one goes out the other does as well. The backhoe digs up both wires. The pole taken out by a car accident takes them both down. Heck, when the power goes out to a storm neither has a generator for their pedistal. The other 20% of the time one has an equipment failure and the other does not. Even if I wanted to pay 2x the monthly cost to have both providers active (and could multi-home, etc), it really doesn't create a significanlty higher uptime, and thus is economically foolish. However, there is an alternative that shares none of this infrastructure. A cell card. Another option finally available due to higher speeds and better pricing is a satellite service. These provide true redundancy from all the physical infrastructure I described above. It could be aruged then, the interesting multi-homing case is between my Cable Modem and my Cell Card, however even that is not the case. Turns out my cell hard has bad latency compared to the cable modem, so I don't want to use it unless I have to, and it also turns out the cell provider charges me for usage, at a modestly high rate, so I don't want to use it unless I have to. The result is an active/passive backup configuration. A device like a cradlepoint can detect the cable modem being down and switch over to the cell card. Sure, incoming connections are not persisitent, but outbound it's hard to notice other than performance getting worse. TL;DR People paying for redundancy want physical redundancy including the last mile. In the US, that exists approximately nowhere for residential users. With no diverse paths to purchase, the discussion of higher level protocol issues is academic. -- Leo Bicknell - bicknell () ufp org - CCIE 3440 PGP keys at http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/
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- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Owen DeLong (Mar 20)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 22)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Owen DeLong (Mar 23)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Jimmy Hess (Mar 23)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Owen DeLong (Mar 23)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Kyle Creyts (Mar 23)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Matt Palmer (Mar 23)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] joel jaeggli (Mar 24)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] William Herrin (Mar 24)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] John Curran (Mar 24)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Leo Bicknell (Mar 25)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Kyle Creyts (Mar 24)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] George Herbert (Mar 24)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Owen DeLong (Mar 24)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Valdis . Kletnieks (Mar 25)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] William Herrin (Mar 23)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Patrick W. Gilmore (Mar 20)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Owen DeLong (Mar 20)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Patrick W. Gilmore (Mar 20)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] Mark Andrews (Mar 20)
- Re: Is multihoming hard? [was: DNS amplification] John Curran (Mar 20)