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Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project
From: Dan White <dwhite () olp net>
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 11:10:34 -0500
On 06/07/13 18:20 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
While the government has no responsibility to protect my data, they do have a responsibility to respect my privacy. While you are correct in that proper personal security procedures to protect my data from random crackers would, in fact, also protect it from the government, that's a far cry from what is at issue here. The question here is whether or not it should be considered legitimate for the US Government to completely ignore the fourth and fifth amendments to the constitution and build out unprecedented surveillance capabilities capturing vast amounts of data without direct probable cause for that snooping. I'm not so much concerned about them gaining access to data I don't want them to access. I am far more disturbed by the trend which reflects a government which increasingly considers itself unrestrained by the laws it is in place to support and implement.
Let me put my gold tipped tinfoil hat on in response to your statement. Suppose the following are true: * Meta data for emails sent to and from most US citizens can be captured on a government scale budget * Meta data for all phone calls and skype sessions can also * Cell phone location data - which cell towers your device associates with, over a long period of time - can be captured in log form or stored in a database * Social data can be analyzed to determine who your acquaintances are, and when you communicate with them over time. Now suppose that the NSA contracts with a private company to collect information about terrorist entities, who in turn privately contracts with the top X telecom providers and Y social media companies to obtain all available information that it can, via TAP ports or direct database access. That private organization, through analysis, knows a lot about you, such as every place you've physically been in the last 10 years, what your political leanings are, what criminals you have associated with in that time period, what the likelyhood is that you are a future criminal and of which crimes, how many guns you own, your browsing history and what you like to do in your free time, and <insert your own creative idea here>. Have your 4th Amendment rights been abridged in this scenario? If you think they have, how confident are you that the court system will agree with you? -- Dan White
Current thread:
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project, (continued)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Rob McEwen (Jun 07)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Dan White (Jun 07)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Rob McEwen (Jun 07)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Owen DeLong (Jun 07)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Ishmael Rufus (Jun 07)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Warren Bailey (Jun 07)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Wayne E Bouchard (Jun 08)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Warren Bailey (Jun 08)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Jay Ashworth (Jun 08)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project David Miller (Jun 08)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Dan White (Jun 09)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Rob McEwen (Jun 09)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Michael Hallgren (Jun 09)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Rob McEwen (Jun 09)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Jimmy Hess (Jun 09)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Dan White (Jun 21)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Phil Fagan (Jun 21)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Owen DeLong (Jun 21)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Phil Fagan (Jun 21)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project William Herrin (Jun 21)
- Re: PRISM: NSA/FBI Internet data mining project Phil Fagan (Jun 21)