Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..

[Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>]

I've been talking to their executive officer after doing that exact thing. 15 years ago roaming was very expensive.. 
But when you are selling something using terminology like "free" or "unlimited", I believe you should be extremely 
careful. I don't know how or who implemented this policy.. But they have been claiming to rock AT&T with this "actual 
nationwide" and this "uncarrier" talk. If you claim to be unlike your competitors.. At least make an attempt to be.. 
NOT like your competition. I was floored seeing the Nanog tribe reply with "it was a business decision over cost".. 
It's 2013 and nearly 14...get your lives together. Make these people who give you a paycheck accountable.


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-------- Original message --------
From: "cb.list6" <cb.list6 () gmail com>
Date: 12/05/2013 5:33 AM (GMT-09:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com>
Cc: Henry Yen <henry () aegisinfosys com>,Joshua Goldbard <j () 2600hz com>,nanog () nanog org
Subject: Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..



On Dec 4, 2013 11:31 PM, "Warren Bailey" <wbailey () satelliteintelligencegroup com<mailto:wbailey () 
satelliteintelligencegroup com>> wrote:
> Blanket reply.. :)
>
> So at what point does unlimited mean unlimited? Roaming agreements have always been two sided. In my case.. I roam on 
> to AT&T's network, the same as AT&T folk roam into tmo when they do not have coverage. At the end of the month the 
> two are reconciled and someone gets paid. If you are selling a service that is making generalized assurances in 
> connectivity (nationwide 4g let netwokr) , you should make a best effort to honor that. It wasn't even a fair amount 
> of bandwidth.. I could deal with a 2gb a month cap or something.. But I am now able to use my unlimited data in 100 
> countries without incurring additional charges.. Are we going to start saying that international roaming costs are 
> lower than domestic on a regularly used network?
>
> I literally feel like I'm taking crazy pills here. Tmo and Att are far from small fish.. And a 50mb per month cap is 
> absolute bullshit. Figure it into your business line.. Or do the honest thing and don't offer the service. How you 
> guys are justifying this is BEYOND me. You can buy a ds1 for several hundred dollars per month.. And unlimited 
> customers get 50 megs a month for data.. You can't even check email over the month on that. I'm not an abusive user.. 
> I don't download or use my cellular data connection for hacked hotspot use.. Not to mention the hotspot I do have 
> with them has 10gb a month nationwide.. So I can use my puck for 10gb..but my phone (on the SAME TOWER) is different?
>
> That is like saying sms costs network providers money.. (don't bring up ran gear or smsc costs.. It's not related)

If you have a beef with tmo, here is the complaint department https://mobile.twitter.com/JohnLegere or you can email 
him at john.legere () t-mobile com<mailto:john.legere () t-mobile com>

You can probably just forward this thread

Given that tmo now has free (rate limited) intl data roaming, it is a bummer to see domestic roaming is now less well 
served.  I think in belt tightening years limiting domestic roaming saved substantial cost ... since it can be 
expensive having some users living on roamed networks

CB

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>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Joshua Goldbard <j () 2600hz com<mailto:j () 2600hz com>>
> Date: 12/04/2013 4:10 PM (GMT-09:00)
> To: Henry Yen <henry () AegisInfoSys com>
> Cc: nanog () nanog org<mailto:nanog () nanog org>
> Subject: Re: Question related to Cellular Data and restrictions..
>
>
> Ting is an MVNO (just like my company 2600hz) and while it would violate the terms of my NDA to confirm the 10x 
> number I can say that we found it to be prohibitively expensive.
>
> One should be aware that, just like in the IP transit world, the small players have different rules than the big 
> kids. It might be prohibitively expensive for us, but it's a different order of magnitude for a carrier like Sprint 
> proper.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Cheers,
> Joshua
>
> P.S. shameless plug: we provide white-label cellular service to operators including full provisioning and call 
> control plus it can be tied back into corporate phone systems (and it's open source!!).
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 4, 2013, at 2:59 PM, "Henry Yen" <henry () AegisInfoSys com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Dec 04, 2013 at 22:18:12PM +0000, Joshua Goldbard wrote:
> > > ...  When you send your data
> > > over a partners network it raises your wireless company's cost of
> > > delivering service, in some cases so much so that you become
> > > unprofitable.
> >
> > Some folks over at Ting(.com) suggest that the cost for data roaming is as
> > high as ten times that for voice/SMS roaming, which is why they don't charge
> > extra for the latter, and do not at all provide the former.
> >
> > --
> > Henry Yen <Henry.Yen () Aegis00 com>               Aegis Information Systems, Inc.
> > Senior Systems Programmer                       Hicksville, New York
> > (800) AEGIS-00 x949                             1-800-AEGIS-00 (800-234-4700)