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RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.


From: "Naslund, Steve" <SNaslund () medline com>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 16:31:39 -0600

Guess who has power over the networks and Internet.  We do and power corrupts us too.  There are some bad guy ISPs and 
engineers out there too.  Just because you are running a Tor server to allow for "privacy protection" does not mean you 
were never doing anything illegal through it.  I know this is not true in all cases but a lot of times the guy who 
screams the most about privacy has something to hide.  Do you like getting phone calls with blocked callerID?  Do you 
like getting anonymous SPAM?  Do you mind having anonymously sourced pics of your kids going out over the internet?  
One guys privacy is sometimes an invasion of mine.  

If this guy is so distraught over this case maybe he should have ensured that he had the resources to defend himself 
before he put up the multiple exit nodes.  There are test cases all the time, but if you want to be the test case you 
should be prepared.  

How many of us have killed an open mail relay (did you have a warrant before you interrupted that good Samaritan 
providing that free mail server to the poor downtrodden email-less masses...you are not even a cop and did not have a 
judge review your actions..how dare you...)?

Steven Naslund

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Wieling [mailto:EWieling () nyigc com] 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:12 PM
To: nanog () nanog org
Subject: RE: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Kristolaitis [mailto:alter3d () alter3d ca] 
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 4:53 PM
To: nanog () nanog org
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

(Note:  I don't mean to imply that all cops are power hungry 
mouth-breathers intent on destroying the lives of citizens.   Most cops 
are fundamentally good people and do a great job.  But like every other profession, there ARE bad cops out there, and 
it's within the realm of possibility that you'll deal with one of them one day.)

Power corrupts and cops have power.    What scares me is that there is no way *I* can tell the difference between a cop 
who accepts free coffee from the local café and a cop who will lie to get what they want.



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