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Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
From: Chris Adams <cmadams () hiwaay net>
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 10:02:12 -0500
Once upon a time, Frank Bulk <frnkblk () iname com> said:
A good portable generator is more than $500, and if it's a wide-spread outage there's not enough portable generators to go around, and if there were, not enough people to set them and give them their fluids. And it doesn't pay to put a natural gas (or similar) generator at every node for those rare instances where the battery does not suffice.
That's what Bellsouth did here (haven't seen any new fiber huts in my area since AT&T took over to know if they're still doing it). Every fiber hut is on a larger concrete pad that has a second power hut with a natural gas line hooked up. Of course, last year when we had a week-long power outage due to tornados taking out over 200 high-voltage distribution towers, my DSL and phone went down after a while anyway, because mine runs to a fiber hut old enough to be an actual hut (looks like a little pump house) from before they set them up with the generators. I'm not sure how long it was up because _I_ didn't have a generator (and then I left town). As for portable generators: I'm in Huntsville, AL, which is not exactly a huge city, and I'm pretty sure there are well over a hundred fiber huts around here. Storing, maintaining, deploying, and supplying that many portable generators is not practical, especially when they'll be needed at a time when you probably need all hands in the field repairing the plant itself. Besides, where do you think you're going to get gasoline in a wide-spread extended power failure? Few gas stations have generators, and even if they do, they'll sell out of gas quickly. That distribution system also needs power. The diesel for our generator had to be trucked in from outside the affected area (Birmingham IIRC). -- Chris Adams <cmadams () hiwaay net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
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- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?, (continued)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Joe Provo (Aug 03)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 03)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 03)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 03)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Mike Jones (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? joel jaeggli (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Eugen Leitl (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Wallace Keith (Aug 03)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Chris Adams (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Chris Adams (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Jimmy Hess (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
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- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 05)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 05)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? joel jaeggli (Aug 05)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Ralph E. Whitmore, III (Aug 05)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 06)