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Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?
From: Chris Adams <cmadams () hiwaay net>
Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:09:04 -0500
Once upon a time, William Herrin <bill () herrin us> said:
I managed to get gasoline for my generator. I had to drive upwards of 5 miles and pass as many as 7 closed stations to get it. But it was available and if I'd planned better with respect to containers to carry it in I'd have had zero difficulty. Some stations did have generators. And some were in locations that didn't lose power in the first place.
Well, in North Alabama in April 2011, we had to drive a lot more than 5 miles (unless you left a 0 off the end). Across the Tennessee state line (a good bit north of it) they had power, but they quickly ran out of gas (and had a several hour wait in line to get what they had). I was headed to Atlanta, and in 100 miles I drove past just one open gas station (with very long lines) before I filled up in Georgia. This was an exceptional event; it was the first time ever Huntsville Utilities had lost all power. TVA shut down a large nuclear plant (Browns Ferry) not because of any problem at the plant (although they also lost off-site power because of a close tornado, which by regulation requires a shutdown) but because there was nowhere for the power to go.
The kind of event which ends access to fuel tends to destroy the communications infrastructure anyway so that loss of power is not the main barrier to operations.
It depends. Our problems were from tornados, which tend to cause very localized damage in a relatively narrow path (it can be 50+ miles long but not usually more than a half-mile to a mile wide). Even a massive outbreak didn't cause any damage at all to 90%+ of the population. We lost power because the distribution system was severly hit, but the long-haul fiber all stayed up. Most of the other problems were because of the power failure (some local fiber rings dropped, especially one CLEC's that puts their nodes in customer premises and were broken by customers' power failures). -- Chris Adams <cmadams () hiwaay net> Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.
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- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option?, (continued)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 03)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 03)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Mike Jones (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? joel jaeggli (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Eugen Leitl (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Wallace Keith (Aug 03)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Chris Adams (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Chris Adams (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Jimmy Hess (Aug 04)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
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- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 04)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 05)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 05)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? joel jaeggli (Aug 05)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Ralph E. Whitmore, III (Aug 05)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 06)
- Re: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? William Herrin (Aug 06)
- RE: Verizon FiOS - is BGP an option? Frank Bulk (Aug 04)