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Re: IPv6 and DNS


From: Matthew Palmer <mpalmer () hezmatt org>
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2011 11:16:40 +1000

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 09:56:59AM +1000, Karl Auer wrote:
On Mon, 2011-06-13 at 01:44 +1000, Matthew Palmer wrote:
And I *still* think it's a better idea for the client to be
registering itself in DNS; the host knows what domain(s) it should be
part of, and hence which names refer to itself and should be updated
with it's new address.

Having tried that, we ended up doing it via DHCP (v4 at the time).

We only had probably 15-20K hosts trying to register their names, but
the results were sobering. At a rough estimate, one in a hundred was
properly configured. We saw obscenities, random strings, thousand-byte
names, empty names, invalid names, names with a hundred labels, "my name
is Andrew" - you name it, it came and tried to register itself.

Why were you letting such ill-configured clients register themselves in your
DNS?

And then there were the clients. Clients that tried as fast as they
could to register their name dozens of times per second, clients that
tried to register many names, clients that registered and then
immediately deregistered their names, clients that never deregistered
their names at all, clients that tried to register important names like
"www.ourdomain", clients that had completely broken protocol support...

Ibid.

So we moved the job to the DHCP server, and most of the problems went
away. The server got the desired name from the client, could check it
for some level of sanity and could register it properly. The server
could also deregister the names when the clients went away, or at least
at the end of the lease period. Most hosts *did* speak the DHCP protocol
adequately well. Instead of having to allow open slather, we could allow
just two hosts to make TSIG-protected updates. The logs became useful
again.

But if I come to roadwarrior in your network, I'd have to allow updates from
your DHCP server, and your DHCP server would have to be sending those
updates.  Similarly, if your clients go roadwarrioring elsewhere, the same
(or, rather, inverse) configuration would have to be done there.

So although YMMV, I can highly recommend letting your DHCP servers do
DDNS instead of letting the clients do it themselves. No doubt it
depends on a multitude of factors, not least being whether you actually
use DHCP, but in general, it worked a LOT better for us.

If you've just got a single-location, never-goes-anywhere network and client
list, sure you can just get the DHCP server to do the registration.  But if
you've got that setup, DDNS isn't needed at all -- your set of hosts,
addresses, and names is fixed sufficiently that you can just statically
allocate everything.

- Matt



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