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Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers
From: John Curran <jcurran () istaff org>
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2011 13:38:29 -0500
On Feb 5, 2011, at 1:27 PM, bmanning () vacation karoshi com wrote:
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 10:17:29AM -0800, Bill Woodcock wrote:... It's dominated by the type of network operator who shows up and participates. Generally, I hear what you're saying and don't disagree, but this is one of those truisms that applies across the whole spectrum of Internet governance: constrained-resource allocation, protocol definition, route and capacity forecasting, carrier interconnect, what-have-you. It's the people who sit back and say that someone else is doing it who don't get represented and don't get their way. So while I absolutely recognize the phenomenon you're describing and wish it were otherwise, the solution is action, not complaint. -Billthere is no complaint here bill. there is simply the observation that if I justified an allocation 20 years ago, under the then current policy, that it is, at best, presumptious to presume the power of expropriation without taking into account the doctrine of eminent domain. If the RIR's and there active members want to take my right to use space away - I expect to be compensated at fair market value. ...
Bill - That seems like a particularly strong reason on your part to participate in the policy development process. I happen to believe that the community needs to be particularly respectful of the ability of all address holders to use their space undisturbed, but at the end of the day we have to run according to whatever policies the community develops. /John
Current thread:
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers, (continued)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Jack Bates (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John R. Levine (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Jack Bates (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Jon Lewis (Feb 05)
- RE: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Aaron Wendel (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John Levine (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers William Pitcock (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Ernie Rubi (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Benson Schliesser (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers Owen DeLong (Feb 05)
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- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John Curran (Feb 05)
- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers bmanning (Feb 05)
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- Re: "Leasing" of space via non-connectivity providers John Curran (Feb 05)
- Re: And so it ends... Suresh Ramasubramanian (Feb 03)
- It's the end of IPv4 as we know it... and I feel fine.. Jared Mauch (Feb 03)
- Re: It's the end of IPv4 as we know it... and I feel fine.. Seth Mattinen (Feb 03)
- Re: It's the end of IPv4 as we know it... and I feel fine.. Josh Smith (Feb 03)
- Re: It's the end of IPv4 as we know it... and I feel fine.. Seth Mattinen (Feb 07)
- Re: It's the end of IPv4 as we know it... and I feel fine.. Scott Helms (Feb 07)
- Re: It's the end of IPv4 as we know it... and I feel fine.. Mark Andrews (Feb 07)
- Re: It's the end of IPv4 as we know it... and I feel fine.. Barney Wolff (Feb 07)