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Re: quietly....
From: Jay Ashworth <jra () baylink com>
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 17:27:56 -0500 (EST)
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From: "Valdis Kletnieks" <Valdis.Kletnieks () vt edu>
On Thu, 03 Feb 2011 17:00:55 EST, Jay Ashworth said:Wow. $ANONYMOUS_COMMENTER was right: end-to-end isn't an engineering principle, it's a religion.
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Seems there's a lot of engineers out there that only want to make sure last year's protocols work, and are willing to totally ignore next year's.
Perhaps. But I think a large part of our disconnect here is that there are lots of backbone-level ops listening to lots of edge-network ops, and failing to take into account that the latter group has *substantially* different constraints on their engineering decisions and practices, and that both groups' limitations are inherent in what they do. Certainly the backbone has to not mess with stuff. But that doesn't mean that edge networks should be *forbidden* from imposing their own restrictions; thos restrictions are (usually) business-based, where backbone decisions must be more engineering-based. Cheers, -- jra
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