Re: FTTH CPE landscape

[Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>]

Among the people I know, on the order of 35%.

Not a majority, but, I would not call 1/3rd less than 1%.

Owen

On Aug 4, 2011, at 4:08 PM, Dan Armstrong wrote:

> On 2011-08-04, at 6:43 PM, Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Dan White wrote:
> >
> > > On 04/08/11 14:32 -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Owen DeLong" <owen () delong com>
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:35 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Generic consumer grade NAT/Firewall
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hobby horse: please make sure it support bridge mode? Those of us who
> > > > > > > want to put our own routers on the wire will hate you otherwise.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why? As long as it can be a transparent router, why would it need to
> > > > > > be a bridge?
> > > > >
> > > > > Ask a Verizon FiOS customer who wants to run IPv4 VPNs.
> > > > >
> > > > > He didn't say IPv6 only, right?
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a couple of customers who can't get bridge mode on residence FiOS
> > > > > service, and therefore can't run their own routers to terminate IPsec.
> > > > If they could get routed static IPv4 rather than bridge, why wouldn't they
> > > > be able to terminate IPSec VPNs? Note I did say TRANSPARENT router.
> > > > That would mean no NAT and routed static IPv4.
> > >
> > > For residential use, for users currently requesting one public address,
> > > that's a waste of a /30 block (sans routing tricks requiring higher end
> > > customer equipment). Multiply that by the number of residential customers
> > > you have and that's bordering on mismanagement of your address space.
> > You say waste, I say perfectly valid use.
> >
> > > If you're dealing with business customers, then your usage versus wasted
> > > ratio is much higher and less of a concern, but what's the point? Are you
> > > trying to cut down on a large broadcast domain?
> > Why is it less of a waste to allocate a /30 to a business using a single public
> > IP than it is to a residence? This makes no sense to me.
> >
> > I simply prefer the additional troubleshooting and other capabilities given
> > to me in a routed environment in most cases.
> >
> > Owen
>
> Realistically, how many home Internet consumers terminate IPSec VPNs?  
>
> It seems kind of silly to engineer a network around a tiny fraction of less than 1% of the population, doesn't it?

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