Re: Definitive Guide to IPv6 adoption

[Owen DeLong <owen () delong com>]

On Oct 18, 2010, at 9:47 AM, Randy Carpenter wrote:

> Unfortunately, it is not as easy as that in practice.
>
> I recently worked with a customer that has ~60,000 customers currently. We tried to get a larger block, but were 
> denied. ARIN said they would only issue a /32, unless immediate usage could be shown that required more than that. 
> Their guidelines also state /56 for end-users. I am a big proponent of nibble boundaries, too. I think if you are too 
> big to use only a /32, you should get a /28, /24, and so forth. It would make routing so much nicer to deal with.  
> /31 and such is just nasty.
ARIN policy allows for a /48 per end user. There are guidelines included in the policy that allow
for a /56 per end-user, but, they are explicitly called out as just guidelines, not policy.

I am working on changing the ARIN policy (I've currently circulated a draft to some co-authors
and expect to be posting it to policy () arin net and ppml () arin net within the next couple of
weeks) along the lines you mention.

I think that IPv4think is a largely temporary problem, but, it is a problem even at the RIRs.

Owen

> -Randy
>
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> | Vice President, IT Services
> | Red Hat Certified Engineer
> | First Network Group, Inc.
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> ----
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > This 'get a /32' BAD ADVICE has got to stop. There are way too many
> > people
> > trying to force fit their customers into a block that is intended for
> > a
> > start-up with ZERO customers.
> >
> > Develop a plan for /48 per customer, then go to ARIN and get that size
> > block. Figure out exactly what you are going to assign to customers
> > later,
> > but don't tie your hands by asking for a block that is way too small
> > to
> > begin with. Any ISP with more than 30k customers SHOULD NOT have a
> > /32, and
> > if they got one either trade it in or put it in a lab and get a REAL
> > block.
> >
> > Tony
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brandon Kim [mailto:brandon.kim () brandontek com]
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 16, 2010 1:59 PM
> > > To: nanog () nanog org
> > > Subject: RE: Definitive Guide to IPv6 adoption
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks everyone who responded. This list is such a valuable wealth
> > > of
> > > information.
> > >
> > > Apparently I was wrong about the /64 as that should be /32 so thanks
> > > for that correction....
> > >
> > > Thanks again especially on a Saturday weekend!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > From: rdobbins () arbor net
> > > > To: nanog () nanog org
> > > > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:09:43 +0000
> > > > Subject: Re: Definitive Guide to IPv6 adoption
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Oct 16, 2010, at 10:56 PM, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Then move on to the Internet which as with most things is where
> > > > > the
> > > most cuurent if not helpful information resides.
> > > > Eric Vyncke's IPv6 security book is definitely worthwhile, as
> > > > well,
> > > in combination with Schudel & Smith's infrastructure security book
> > > (the
> > > latter isn't IPv6-specific, but is the best book out there on
> > > infrastructure security):
> > > > <http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1587055945>
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.ciscopress.com/bookstore/product.asp?isbn=1587053365>
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > > Roland Dobbins <rdobbins () arbor net> //
> > > > <http://www.arbornetworks.com>
> > > >
> > > >           Sell your computer and buy a guitar.
> > >                                       =