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Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions
From: William Herrin <bill () herrin us>
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 11:07:20 -0500
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 9:47 AM, William Warren <hescominsoon () emmanuelcomputerconsulting com> wrote:
On 11/30/2010 12:09 AM, Andrew Koch wrote:On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 22:17, William Herrin<bill () herrin us> wrote:So you're saying: treat it like electrical service. I have a 200 amp electrical service at my house. But I don't pay for a 200 amp service, I pay for kilowatt-hours of usage. There are several problems transplanting that billing model to Internet service. The first you've already noticed - marketing activity has rendered it unsalable. But that's not the only problem.Not quite. Look at mobile data plans. A very few are unlimited, most are per byte.I don't know of a single data plan that's unlimited. they all have either 5 gig or lower transfer caps. That's not unlimited no matter what the lawyers or marketers day.
William, My Verizon Blackberry plan says unlimited data. Including the tether. IIRC, Clear's 4G service has no monthly cap. Regardless, we were talking about residential Internet, not mobile Internet. There's a market expectation that mobile systems cost more than their wireline counterparts and have usage-based billing even if their wireline counterparts don't. Moving the market expectations for wireline Internet in the face of your competitor's ability to move a different way is tough. This, by the way, is where Verizon is going to take some of you to the cleaners. With fiber all the way to the premises and control of the key transit-free who everyone else either peers with or pays, they can jack up their data capacity much more cost effectively than you can. And let's face it, when they tell you that you're upgrading your peering port from 10G to 100G in order to keep it, you will comply rather than lose reciprocal peering. The more you complain, the rosier they'll smell replying that, "Oh, we don't see the problem. We just increased our data rates. We only see a need for caution on the highly competitive wireless side which because of competition doesn't need regulation anyway." Regards, Bill Herrin -- William D. Herrin ................ herrin () dirtside com bill () herrin us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Owen DeLong (Nov 29)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Mikael Abrahamsson (Nov 29)
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- RE: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement ConcerningComcast'sActions George Bonser (Nov 29)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement ConcerningComcast'sActions Owen DeLong (Nov 29)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Cameron Byrne (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Herrin (Nov 29)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Warren (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Herrin (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Brielle Bruns (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Owen DeLong (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions Jeffrey Lyon (Nov 30)
- Re: Level 3 Communications Issues Statement Concerning Comcast'sActions William Herrin (Nov 30)
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