Re: IP4 Space

[Daniel Senie <dts () senie com>]

Well, it's like this... there's still no native IPv6 connectivity in most data centers, residences, businesses or 
wireless, most vendors of networking equipment have not had a lot of mileage on their IPv6 code if they even have it 
fully working, and, frankly, the IPv6 community has been predicting a falling sky for so long that people just gave up 
listening. Add in a whole lot of other bits of argument that just exasperate those dealing with today's problems, and 
it's pretty easy to understand, if you've not been one of the ones pushing IPV6 for all these years, that there's a lot 
of listener fatigue.

Engineers don't make good salespeople. IPv6 is a good example. So we will wind up muddling along for several more years 
as the vendors shake out their code, routers wedge, firewalls freak out, and predictions of collapse are repeated 
daily. And to fellow engineers: we will all be blamed for the failure. Sorry, that's just the way it will be. Don't 
bother trying to deflect blame. Just deal with the issues, solve them as best you can, and move on.



On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:

> On 3/10/2010 05:06, Andy Koch wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:55, Jens Link <lists () quux de> wrote:
> >
> > > Owen DeLong <owen () delong com> writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > > denial
> > > > > anger
> > > > > bargaining
> > > > > depression
> > > > acceptance    <--- My dual-stacked network and I are here.
> > > So am I. But most IT people I talk to are still at the denial phase. And
> > > there is not much one can do about it.
> Denial, incredulity, and even anger have often been the reaction I get
> from IT people when I bring up IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6.  I'm careful to
> try to be "cool" about it too, trying not to be preachy or annoying
> about it.
>
> Some recent samples of IT people I talk to regularly in IRC:
>
> > sam:  Basically. We've had ipv6 for how many years in the UNIX world
> > and we STILL haven't switched yet ...
> > Ken:   only Jim cares about IPv6
> > sam:  15 years of hype and we might get to it in another 5
> > sam:  Emphasis on might
> > sam:  Everything I've installed in the last 2 years has ipv6 disabled
> > Ken:   i finally got an email from comcast about my participating in
> > their ipv6 trials ... haha ... TRIALS - they're still at least 2 years
> > out i'm sure
> I doubt I'm the only one who's run across these sorts of attitudes.  At
> least Ken is willing to participate in the Comcast trial.  :)
>
> IMHO, only personally experienced pain is going to push a lot of these
> sorts of people into ipv6.  By pain, I mean things such as not being
> able to deploy their new service (web site, email server, VPN box,
> whatever) on the internet due to lack of ipv4 addresses, having to
> implement double NAT, CGN/LSN, or being forced to live behind such an
> arrangement ["what do you mean I can't port forward the port for my
> favorite game/new service?!?!" (yes, I know some schemes will still
> allow customer port forwards, but this will be made more difficult,
> painful, since many users will now be sharing the same publics.)] 
>
> Once the "pain" hits, many will be doing crash courses in ipv6 and
> rolling it out as quickly as they can.  I think it's just human nature.  :)
>
> - Jim