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Re: What to do when your ISP off-shores tech support


From: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb () cs columbia edu>
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 15:34:32 -0500

On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 19:10:13 -0600 (CST)
Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net> wrote:

I did ask, and all the local people are, in fact, local.  It's a
matter of training and technical knowledge.  None of them was really
putting together the fact that the modem was sketchy for the service
class we had.

Yup -- I've had similar fun with Comcast.  Once, I was seeing 15-20%
packet loss on the local loop and 90% (you read that correctly) packet
duplication. The advice I received translated to "clear your IE browser
cache".  I demurred, and I was told that (a) generally, performance
problems were solvable that way, and (b) 15% packet loss was pretty
good.  I escalated...

Then there was the time they upgraded the firmware in my cable
modem/NAT to a buggy release that didn't understand the activity timer
in the NAT table.  Every 30 minutes, like clockwork, my ssh sessions
would die.  I had to try to explain that to someone who didn't know how
to spell IP, let alone TCP.

Oh yes -- judging from their accents, everyone I spoke with was
American.  In both cases, once I reached the clueful people, things
were resolved pretty quickly.  (Well, not the packet duplication; that
took *weeks* to resolve, but once the packet loss problem was solved I
could at least get decent throughput.)

My point is that you not only need the language skills and a good
phone connection, but also a reasonable process to deal with
knowledgeable people.  I understand the need to provide scripted
support, but there should also be a reasonable path to determine that
someone has an exceptional problem and isn't being well-served by the
script.

Customer records often include an optional data field that says things
about particular customers.  I heard a story -- and I'll leave out the
names, since it's second- or third-hand and it does involve people and
companies most of us know -- that one very clueful person's record had
a note saying more or less "if you don't understand what he's saying,
he's right and you're wrong, and you should route his call immediately
to Tier N, where N is large"...  But getting on that list is the hard
part.

                --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb


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