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Re: EFF whitepaper
From: "Tom (UnitedLayer)" <tom () unitedlayer com>
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 14:47:14 -0800 (PST)
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004, Steven Champeon wrote:
And this affects those of us with not-so-old, not-so-slow machines how?
By the fact that there is no way in hell that he could relay a large amount of spam...
The bottom line is that Gilmore, and the EFF, have taken a very soft stance on spam, believing it to be less important than "free speech" or "anonymous speech".
By definition, the EFF's main concern is free speech and privacy.
http://eff.org/wp/?f=SpamCollateralDamage.html Wow. So, any collateral damage is unacceptable?
To me, and people who rely on email for reliable communication, yes absolutely. Collateral damage is unacceptable, period. Its even worse when administered punitively (like SPEWS/etc) because its done with the intent of disrupting other people's lives. If you're going to fight something, and you feel its worthwhile, fight it on the high-road.
In a nutshell, email requires accountability. The EFF apparently thinks that is too high a price to ask for email.
I think you're missing the point. Anonymous communication saves lives, allows people to "blow the whistle", and in general it serves the greater good to have it exist. Email already has an "audit trail" built into it, and you can at least track it to some extent if you know what you're doing. Does email need a DNA signature for the sender? In my mind no, you can get that if you use PGP signatures and look how few people actually use that.
Current thread:
- EFF whitepaper Sean Donelan (Nov 14)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Paul Vixie (Nov 14)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Steven Champeon (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper J.D. Falk (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Tom (UnitedLayer) (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Steven Champeon (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Tom (UnitedLayer) (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Patrick W Gilmore (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Steven Champeon (Nov 15)
- Staying on topic (was Re: EFF whitepaper) Steve Gibbard (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Rich Kulawiec (Nov 16)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Paul G (Nov 16)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Suresh Ramasubramanian (Nov 16)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Steven Champeon (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Paul Vixie (Nov 14)
- <Possible follow-ups>
- RE: EFF whitepaper Peering (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Richard Welty (Nov 15)
- RE: EFF whitepaper Miller, Mark (Nov 15)
- Re: EFF whitepaper Fred Heutte (Nov 16)