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RE: NOAA warning for rf communications


From: "Graham, Darel R." <darel.graham () mci com>
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 19:44:07 +0000


Need more info go here http://www.spaceweather.com/
it has a embeded link that explains affects on communications too.


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of
Scott Granados
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:32 PM
To: Owen DeLong
Cc: Roy; Chris Yarnell; nanog () merit edu
Subject: Re: NOAA warning for rf communications



Just to add, it seems that I over extended the hf band the cut off as was
correctly pointed out was 30 mhz I believe.

And if anything since friday the vhf band seems improved, 2 meters has
been quite good.

I'd say that I have not noticed any disruption although I've heard tell of
disruptions in the gps network I haven't experienced them personally.


On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Owen DeLong wrote:


It means HF in the traditional sense of the word.  The cellphone issue
is due to the use of satellite links to many cells.  There is no reason
to believe that line of sight (LOS) communications VHF and above are
likely to be impacted by these events as long as they are not depending
on ionospheric propogation.

HF depends on ionospheric bounce.  Satellites depend on the signals
being able to penetrate the ionosphere.  Both of these will be
effected.  Terrestrial microwave and VHF line of site, 802.11,
2.4GHz cordless phones and the like do not.

Owen
KB6MER


--On Friday, October 24, 2003 9:31 AM -0700 Scott Granados
<scott () wworks net> wrote:


Wouldn't 2.4 ghz fall in that range or does hf mean hf in the classical
sense of something on the scale of 3 to 49 mhz or so.


On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Roy wrote:


According to the notice

"Satellite and other spacecraft operations, power systems, high
frequency communications, and navigation systems may experience
disruptions over this two-week period."

I think you will find that 802.11b and other terrestrial microwave LOS
links don't meet any of those criteria and should be unaffected.  Some
small increase in the noise level may be detected.

Chris Yarnell wrote:

my office experienced 802.11b weirdness (sudden bouts of 0% signal
for
no apparent reason) earlier this week. i'm fully expecting more
tomorrow. :)


There is a high likelihood that things like 802.11, licensed and
unlicensed microwave links, and certainly satellite links will
sustain
interference over the next few days. I assume that everyone on the
list is both aware, and prepared ;-)











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