RE: Overcoming IPv6 Security Threat

["Tony Hain" <alh-ietf () tndh net>]

The sad part is that absolutely clueless articles like this one get
wider distribution than they deserve, and it takes even more travel and
face time to refute the nonsense. In most cases it is hard to tell if
the author is really as clueless as the resulting article would lead you
to believe, or if they intentionally put in garbage to create an
artificial sense of controversy which might lead to even greater
distribution. 

Tony


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu] On 
> Behalf Of Daniel Golding
> Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:13 AM
> To: Jeroen Massar; 'Joe Baptista'; 'NANOG'
> Subject: RE: Overcoming IPv6 Security Threat
>
>
>
>
> This is scarcely the first time that a "reporter" has taken 
> quotes from NANOG and spliced them together into a news 
> story. Analysts do it too. I guess one of the weaknesses of 
> this kind of forum is that the kooks (Jim
> Fleming) come off looking as credible as those who have  a 
> clue (like Stephen Sprunk or Dave Israel in this case).
>
> Now, please pardon me while I write "do not talk to 
> reporters" on the blackboard, 500 times.
>
> - Daniel Golding
>
> > Jeroen Massar Said..
> >
> > Joe Baptista wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks to everyone who helped out.
> > But you didn't actually read now did you?
> > Oh well you are a reporter nobody can blame you for doing 
> work ;) But 
> > to pull some things straight:
> >
> > " IPv6, a suite of protocols for the network layer,
> >  uses IPv4 gateways to interconnect IPv6 nodes and comes  
> prepackaged 
> > with some popular operating systems. "
> >
> > Cool, so *NATIVE* IPv6 doesn't exist?
> > Many transitional techniques use intermediate IPv4 hops to connect 
> > IPv6 islands, that doesn't mean everything uses it.
> >
> > http://unfix.org/projects/ipv6/IPv6andIPv4.gif
> >
> > "IPv6 has suffered bad press over privacy issues.
> >  Jim Fleming, the inventor of IPv8, a competing protocol,  
> sees many 
> > hazards and privacy flaws in existing IPv6 implementations."
> >
> > Competing? There is <yell>no such thing as Jim Flemings IPv8</yell> 
> > There is IPv8* but that is PIP (The P Internet Protocol) which is
> > *NOT* the thing Mr. Fla^Heming is spamming about all the time.
> > * = http://www.iana.org/assignments/version-numbers
> > Maybe Mr. Fleming could write up a draft of his 'standard' 
> sometime? I 
> > could start shouting that you are bad and that Man.v2 is 
> much better 
> > now does that help anywhere?
> >
> > And one can easily change his/her local EUI so where's the problem 
> > there? One also mostly comes from the same /48 so where is the 
> > problem.
> >
> > "Another obstacle raised by NANOG operators is that there 
> is currently 
> > no commercial demand for IPv6 at this time."
> >
> > Which is true in the .US and mostly true in europe, but in 
> Asia there 
> > is demand and IPv6 is happening. And that America is 
> lagging behind ah 
> > well ;)
> >
> > Next time when you ask things, use them in your articles...
> >
> > Greets,
> >  Jeroen