RE: verio arrogance

["Daniel Golding" <dgolding () sockeye com>]

Ralph,

Welcome to the Internet. This has been the case for years, now. If you don't
like it, you have a couple options.

1) You can go on hunger strike and chain yourself to the front door at NTT,
demanding a change to the policy.

2) You can lobby Verio's peers to drop peering with them, unless they change
their ways.

3) You can pay Verio to accept your routes.

4) You can live with it.

May I suggest #4?

I'm not a big fan of Verio's filtering policies, but as long as you announce
the /20 as an aggregate, you'll be fine.

- Daniel Golding

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog () merit edu [mailto:owner-nanog () merit edu]On Behalf Of
> Ralph Doncaster
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 6:37 PM
> To: nanog () merit edu
> Subject: Re: verio arrogance
>
>
>
> On Mon, 15 Jul 2002, Richard A Steenbergen wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Jul 15, 2002 at 05:10:28PM -0400, Ralph Doncaster wrote:
> > > Announcing a covering /20 along with the regional more
> specifics I have
> > > will only serve to increase the size of the routing table for most
> > > backbones, and lead to sub optimal routing in some cases since I'm
> > > announcing the more specifics due to geographical diversity.
> >
> > Announce the /20 to your transit providers, and the more specifics with
> > no-export. Verio's position is that they don't want to or need to hear
> > your /23s unless you are a customer, and for the most part they
> are right.
>
> But I've broken my /20 into a /21 for Ottawa, a /22 for Toronto, a /23 for
> Montreal, and a /23 for expansion.  I'm currently only getting transit in
> Toronto, but will have a second transit provider restored in Ottawa (I was
> using GT for a short while).  While announcing the the /20 will my network
> is reachable for single-homed Verio customers, it won't provide the true
> best path that simply accepting the regional more specifics.
>
> -Ralph