RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt

[James Thomason <james () divide org>]

They are using standard technology, Digital Island and Akamai did not
invent ICMP.  The methodology is new, and they have the right to use
it.  If you dislike the methodology, you can block it, or propose to the
IETF that we change or remove ICMP.  

On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Quibell, Marc wrote:

> Me thinks that when such technologies be commercialized on the net, there
> will be problems. Usually, IP and such technologies are the charge of the
> internet community and we form committees, or use IEEE, IETF, RFCs,
> ARIN...etc for these and other technologies and come to  open internet
> standards and agreements on how to improve such things. Now we have these
> people coming in here on their own and attempting to shove their technolgies
> down our pipes w/o OUR concensus! Anyone now see the problem with this? I
> believe this to be the key as to why this is wrong and why DI, or Akamai,
> should not be even allowed to 'help' the internet.
>
> Marc Quibell
> ICN Network Operations Center
> Data Operations Group
> noc () icn state ia us
> 1-800-572-3940
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Batchelor [mailto:mikebat () tmcs net]
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:51 AM
> To: nanog () merit edu
> Subject: RE: Fwd: Re: Digital Island sponsors DoS attempt
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> > in the case where the sender and receiver are communicating between one
> > or many third parties, there is no direct relationship and thus no apriori
> > terms of service to which the traffic must conform.  for this, we
> > reverse the
> > model: "everything not welcomed is forbidden" and thus create a prior
> > restraint problem which goes by the name "what, then, is implicitly
> > welcome or unwelcome?"
>
> And how does the owner communicate this to the sender ahead of time?  I
> don't
> think you can, else there would not be a spam problem.  Therefore, the only
> logical position the sender can take, if he is to act at all, is to assume
> that whatever is not actively prevented or refused, is welcome, until such
> time as he is notified otherwise.  If it is not this way, how can ANY
> unsolicited communication take place?  Must I ask permission to ask
> permission?
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> - ---
> "The avalanche has already begun.  It is too late for the pebbles to vote" -
> Kosh
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