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Re: MPLS VPNs or not?
From: Craig Partridge <craig () aland bbn com>
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:19:13 -0400
In message <6B190B34070BD411ACA000B0D0214E56CB8128 () newman tenornet com>, "Kavi, Prabhu" writes:
I don't think UUNET considered it a waste. UUNET could not have grown as quickly as it did during the mid to late 90s without L2 (Frame and ATM) technologies. Fortunately for them, they did not have any pure IP only zealots that prevented the pragmatic use of other technologies in their networks. Otherwise they probably would not have been able to outrun the other ISPs.
I know the history here pretty well (though since I was never employed by UUNET, I'll probably get some of it wrong). It doesn't quite match this description. UUNET was an excellently run ISP well before it starting doing the ATM activity. It came (I suspect) from Rick Adams' days as a struggling ISP, competing against Govt subsidized regional networks, in the 1980s. If you look at their various SEC filings in their first few years, they're a tightly run company. Once UUNET was acquired by Worldcom, UUNET had access to Worldcom's network infrastructure, which was heavily ATM, and which UUNET had to share with the Worldcom's (very lucractive) voice traffic. In that context, there was a real cost to using bandwidth and UUNET had to use account for its usage. Some other ISPs were/are in a different business model -- they owned their fiber runs, outright, and the question for them was whether to put run ATM over that fiber, and subdivide the bandwidth of a single waveband, or light two wavebands (one voice/one IP). I've seen the marginal cost analysis for that kind of decision, and it often favors two wavebands. Craig
Current thread:
- RE: MPLS VPNs or not?, (continued)
- RE: MPLS VPNs or not? Kavi, Prabhu (Aug 07)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Walter Prue (Aug 07)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Craig Partridge (Aug 07)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Scott Brim (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Craig Partridge (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Craig Partridge (Aug 07)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? David Charlap (Aug 07)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Sean M. Doran (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Sean M. Doran (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Sean M. Doran (Aug 08)
- RE: MPLS VPNs or not? Kavi, Prabhu (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Craig Partridge (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? jmalcolm (Aug 10)
- RE: MPLS VPNs or not? Greg Maxwell (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Fletcher E Kittredge (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Kevin Loch (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Majdi S. Abbas (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Joel Baker (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Craig Partridge (Aug 08)
- RE: MPLS VPNs or not? Vadim Antonov (Aug 08)
- Re: MPLS VPNs or not? Travis Pugh (Aug 08)