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Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS
From: woods () most weird com (Greg A. Woods)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 10:58:40 -0500 (EST)
[ On , January 15, 2000 at 22:24:53 (-0800), Paul Vixie wrote: ]
Subject: Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS So, Greg, have you stopped beating your wife? (Never mind.)
Oh, boy, you were being a real asshole the other day.... I'll have you know that I didn't see this until today because I've been in the hospital caring for my wife who fell and broke her ankle very badly the other day. If I were an American I'd have your ass in court. But I'm not a slandering inconsiderate bastard.
You're assuming that packets with your IP address on either end of them are sacred in some way and have the right to pass unmolested on any wire no matter who pays for that wire or what their preferences are. I find that reasoning strikingly similar to what spammers say about THEIR traffic, and I'm starting to wonder why you are defending the efforts of an anti-spam organization (ORBS) if your ethical sympathies are all completely compatible with "theft of service"?
That's funny. The kind of service you're arguing against is exactly what I expect of my telephone, my cell phone, my pager, etc. Why is an Internet carrier supposed to be any different. Get with the real world Paul and quit fussing about completely meaningless nonsense. (Spammers are of course on the *opposite* side of that argument and are pushing their junk out -- but that's a different story.)
So your provider ought not do anything about smurf attacks forged in your name, either?
Not unless I explicitly ask them to (or of course unless the attack is causing a denial of their service to other customers too, but if that's the case then I would have to say they are under-capacity and not doing their engineering very well.
ORBS and MAPS have a mutual nonaggression pact, which I'm skating near the edge of by entering this discussion at all. No, I won't be "proving it."
I think you wandered well over the edge, actually. -- Greg A. Woods +1 416 218-0098 VE3TCP <gwoods () acm org> <robohack!woods> Planix, Inc. <woods () planix com>; Secrets of the Weird <woods () weird com>
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- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS, (continued)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Patrick Greenwell (Jan 13)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Edward S. Marshall (Jan 13)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Alex P. Rudnev (Jan 13)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Paul Vixie (Jan 14)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS danielle v. (Jan 14)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Paul A Vixie (Jan 14)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Greg A. Woods (Jan 14)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Paul Vixie (Jan 15)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Greg A. Woods (Jan 15)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Paul Vixie (Jan 15)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Greg A. Woods (Jan 19)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS J.D. Falk (Jan 19)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS scott w (Jan 19)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Barry Shein (Jan 18)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS J.D. Falk (Jan 18)
- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Greg A. Woods (Jan 19)
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- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Greg A. Woods (Jan 27)
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- Re: Fw: Administrivia: ORBS Greg A. Woods (Jan 15)
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