Re: [YA] Fwd: Class B Purchase

[Karl Denninger <karl () mcs net>]

Oh, I'm quite certain  that the "registries" will recognize a court order,
which, if they refuse to recognize a reassignment, is precisely what they
*should* be forced to recognize.

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up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.



On Tue, Oct 06, 1998 at 08:43:26AM +1000, Geoff Huston wrote:
> Sure addresses have intrinsic value, BUT the problem is that attempting
> to effect the transfer of title is an exercise in futility given that
> none of the regional registeries will honour the transaction.
>
> Now given that the original 'owner' details remain constant, it raises
> the interesting question of how many suckers can be conned into the
> buying the same class B. The Broklyn Bridge is a useful precedent here, btw.
>
> With a means of registering the transaction, the value of the address
> space in the current trading market remains heavily discounted.
> Unfortunately this trading makes a mockery of the validity of the
> allocation registeries, and the longer we sit in denial mode over
> address trading the more probable the problems ISPs will face over
> attempting to trace actual address ownership, in order to avoid
> senseless litigation over incorrect address advertisements in the
> routing space.
>
>   Geoff
>
>
> At 03:14 PM 10/5/98 -0500, Karl Denninger wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > Actually, there's every reason to believe that if you have space from prior
> > to the adoption of RFC2008 and 2050 you indeed do have something which is
> > (1) property, and (2) valuable if someone is willing to pay you for it.
> >
> > Specifically, RFC2008 says:
> >
> > While it has never been explicitly stated that various Internet
> >   Registries use the "address ownership" allocation policy, it has
> >      always been assumed (and practiced).
> >
> > That sentence, in particular the last five words of that sentence, are 
> > extremely important.  10+ years of a given practice and set of operating
> > rules cannot be overturned by fiat.
> >
> > --
> > -- 
> > Karl Denninger (karl () denninger net) http://www.mcs.net/~karl
> > I ain't even *authorized* to speak for anyone other than myself, so give
> > up now on trying to associate my words with any particular organization.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 05, 1998 at 11:47:01AM -0700, David R. Conrad wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Seems scanning ARIN's database for B's is becoming a trend.  Anybody want
> > > to provide the procmail incantation to forward flems and other wasted bits
> > > (like this message) to Gabriel automatically?  
> > >
> > > Don't these people realize addresses have no value?  After all, addresses
> > > are just integers.  Right, Bill?  :-)
> > >
> > > Hmmm.  At last!  A way to cover the upkeep costs for my black helicopter
> > > (they're so useful, I didn't want to return it when I left APNIC)!  As
> > > APNIC's 16 Bs are still registered to me, I see a _wonderful_ profit
> > > potential -- anybody got the URL for the Address Black Market, I seem to
> > > have misplaced it...?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > -drc
> > > ---------------
> > > > Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 06:57:07 GMT
> > > > From: "CommuniTech.Net, Inc." <gabriel () communitech net>
> > > > Subject: Class B Purchase
> > > > To: <davidc () apnic net>, <gabriel () communitech net>
> > > >
> > > > My name is Gabriel Murphy and I am with CommuniTech.Net, a rapidly growing 
> > > > Internet Presence Provider.  I am writing you today to inquire if you might
> > > > be interested in selling the Class B you have registered through the American
> > > > Registry of Internet Numbers.
> > > >
> > > > As you may or may not know, ARIN is no longer issuing Class B blocks.  Our 
> > > > business is growing quickly and the availability of IP Addresses is
> > > fundamental 
> > > > to our business going forward.  
> > > >
> > > > If you are interested in selling the Class B you have through ARIN, please 
> > > > contact me personally at gabriel () communitech net.  We realize that an
> > > outright 
> > > > purchase of a Class B would be expensive, but it is extremly important to
> > > the 
> > > > future of our business.  We are quite serious about this inquiry and hope to 
> > > > hear from you soon.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gabriel Murphy
> > > > CommuniTech.Net Inc.
> > > > http://www.communitech.net