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Re Section 230: A Key Legal Shield For Facebook, Google Is About To Change
From: "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2018 08:08:04 +0900
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From: "Jonathan S. Shapiro" <jonathan.s.shapiro () gmail com> Date: March 27, 2018 at 1:24:42 PM GMT+9 To: David Farber <dave () farber net> Subject: Re: [IP] Re Section 230: A Key Legal Shield For Facebook, Google Is About To Change [For IP]On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:18 AM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:From: "Savage, Christopher" <ChrisSavage () dwt com> Date: March 26, 2018 at 9:53:09 AM EDT To: "dave () farber net" <dave () farber net> Subject: RE: [IP] Re Section 230: A Key Legal Shield For Facebook, Google Is About To Change Dave: I’d ask members of the IP community to consider the following analysis. 1/ The useful public purpose of Section 230 immunity is for online services to be safe permitting unrestricted user comments. 2/ That public purpose is not particularly well-served by permitting online services to monetize those comments (other than by making them available), 3/ That public purpose is also not well-served by permitting online services to escape liability for content they actively promote to users, even if the online services did not create that content. 4/ Similarly, it is not well-served by permitting online services to escape liability for the content of advertisements or other content for which the online service is paid.There are several problems with this analysis: 1. Things that the carrier cannot monetize are things they have no incentive to do. We need to be careful in this not to proceed in a way that makes comments undesirable to the carrier. 2. When a carrier promotes something, they become an active participant in the publication of that thing. Any entity is responsible for its promotions (directly) and at the very least should share liability in the subject matter that it promotes. Conceptually. But see below. 3. Advertising is a form of promotion. It is not, in any sense, "neutral" content. Promotion is an active choice rather than a passive carriage, which is the basis under which liability criteria should be set. 4. It is important to distinguish between "promotion" (actions in which the carrier or it's agents have a financial interest and/or an editorial role) and "ranking" (algorithms designed to present to a user the things most relevant to that user). The two are somewhat confused by the existence of "payment for ranking" schemes. Barring payment for ranking, the carrier clearly should not be liable for correctly identifying me as a C-level startup executive and presenting items to me in some ordering designed to maximize their interest and utility to me. Less comfortably, but equally clear, they should not have liability (again barring paid re-rankings) for presenting to my (hypothetical) Nazi neighbor items that are of interest and utility to that neighbor. We should be cautious about the difference between a carrier monetizing comments in a generic sense vs. being paid to influence in editorial decision-making. All of the abuses I'm currently aware of (which is probably not a comprehensive list) fall into the latter category. Jonathan Shapiro, Ph.D. COO Buttonsmith Inc
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