re Vint Cerf: Traceability

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: Sven Dietrich <spock () ieee org>
> Date: August 6, 2018 at 10:31:31 GMT+9
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] Vint Cerf: Traceability
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> That "differential traceability" concept is not new. I explored the
> concept of levels of anonymity and traceability (LEVANT) back in 2004 at
> CERT with Howard Lipson:
>
> https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/asset_files/TechnicalReport/2004_005_001_60871.pdf
>
> Howard Lipson († 2016) was also the author of the CERT Track & Trace
> special report (2002), on the difficulty of
> cross-domain/cross-jurisdiction track & trace:
>
> https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/library/asset-view.cfm?assetid=5831
>
> For IP if you wish.
>
> Sven
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> > On 8/5/18 21:11, Dave Farber wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Begin forwarded message:
> > >
> > > *From: *Lauren Weinstein <lauren () vortex com <mailto:lauren () vortex com>>
> > > *Subject: **[ NNSquad ] Vint Cerf: Traceability*
> > > *Date: *August 6, 2018 8:53:53 JST
> > > *To: *nnsquad () nnsquad org <mailto:nnsquad () nnsquad org>
> > >
> > >
> > > Vint Cerf: Traceability
> > >
> > > https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2018/8/229771-traceability/fulltext
> > >
> > > "This suggests to me that the notion of traceability under
> > > (internationally?) agreed circumstances (that is, differential
> > > traceability) might be a fruitful concept to explore. In most
> > > societies today, it is accepted that we must be identifiable
> > > to appropriate authorities under certain conditions (consider
> > > border crossings, traffic violation stops as examples). While
> > > there are conditions under which apparent anonymity is
> > > desirable and even justifiable (whistle-blowing, for example)
> > > absolute anonymity is actually quite difficult to achieve
> > > (another point made at the Ditchley workshop) and might not be
> > > absolutely desirable given the misbehaviors apparent anonymity
> > > invites. I expect this is a controversial conclusion and I
> > > look forward to subsequent discussion."
> > >
> > > - - -
> > >
> > > While I have frequently called for greater accountability in key
> > > aspects of Internet operations (in particular, public access to WHOIS
> > > domain data except in limited circumstances), I fear that in the
> > > general case Vint's Traceability proposal would mostly gladden the
> > > hearts of bad governmental players in countries such as China, Russia,
> > > and even here in the USA. It basically amounts to an escrowed identity
> > > system, a concept that has been widely and appropriately criticized in
> > > the encryption arena. Given that a significant degree of anonymity is
> > > crucial for human rights advocates and others who live in areas of the
> > > world that are routinely under government oppression, I do not see
> > > obvious ways that Vint's proposal could be implemented without
> > > innocent parties being even more at the mercy of oppressive
> > > governments than they are today.
> > >
> > > --Lauren--
> > > Lauren Weinstein (lauren () vortex com): https://www.vortex.com/lauren
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