Re From a nyt and long time iper Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'

["Dave Farber" <dave () farber net>]

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From: Esther Dyson <edyson () edventure com>
Date: Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: [IP] Re From a nyt and long time iper Re New York Times
defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Cc: ip <ip () listbox com>


Yes, there’s a huge difference between the editorial page and the news
pages - at least in both the NY Times and the Wall Street Journal….

just as there are differences among denying climate change, acknowledging
that there is a change but denying that humans caused the change, affirming
that we know how to fix it, and urging that we take the risk of intervening
because our predictions indicate that intervention is the last risky path
(though which interventions in particular, and at whose short-term
expense…..??)




On Apr 22, 2017, at 1:23 PM, Dave Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:




Begin forwarded message:

*From:* Michael Robertson <mr () michaelrobertson com>
*Date:* April 22, 2017 at 12:53:43 PM EDT
*To:* David Farber <dave () farber net>
*Subject:* *Re: [IP] From a nyt and long time iper Re New York Times
defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'*

Let the record show that some on this list would be branded as "climate
deniers" such as myself.

I'd point out that global warmers have largely abandoned that term and
adopted the amorphous semantic fraud which is "climate change". They
regularly promote outlandish climate hysteria in spite of the fact that we
now have decades of failed dire predictions.

And like the religions of the past, anyone who questions the logic is
ostracized as a heretic.

On Apr 22, 2017 8:42 AM, "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com> wrote:

> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* "Schwartz, John" <jswatz () nytimes com>
> *Date:* April 22, 2017 at 10:42:19 AM EDT
> *To:* dave () farber net
> *Subject:* *Re: [IP] Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate
> denier: 'millions agree with him'*
>
> Dave,
>
>     However you feel about the hiring of Bret Stephens, it's important to
> keep in mind that he has been hired as a single voice among the opinion
> columnists at the NYT. His hiring does not change the work being done in
> the newsroom, by reporters, to tell the story of climate change. Nor does
> it affect the stance of the editorial board, which has long aligned itself
> with the science and has consistently called for action to reduce
> greenhouse gas emissions.
>
>      I'm a little self interested here, of course, in that I am one of
> about a dozen journalists at the NYT directly involved in reporting on
> climate change and the environment. The management of the newsroom has
> built up this climate team to bring these stories to the world. And we
> are--along with much of the rest of the newsroom--as you can see by
> following this link:
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/section/climate
>
>       I'm not commenting on the Stephens hire. But many stories written
> about the decision to bring him into the stable of columnists suggest that
> it shows The New York Times is not serious about climate change.
>
>       Nothing could be further from the truth.
>
>       Best,
>
>       John
>
> On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 7:46 AM, David Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > *From: *Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan () gmail com>
> > *Subject: **Re: [IP] Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate
> > denier: 'millions agree with him'*
> > *Date: *April 22, 2017 at 7:07:38 AM EDT
> > *To: *"dave () farber net" <dave () farber net>
> >
> > Prof Farber,
> > [for IP, should you deem fit]
> > While I'm sure that one can persuade "millions" to say "I believe the
> > climate is not changing", the more important/relevant question to ask is
> > "Assuming the climate is changing, should humans do anything about it?" to
> > which the answer that my old Biology professor liked to give was that life
> > will find a way, but maybe without us. So, if one doesn't give a toss about
> > one's own species, then sure, deny the need to do anything about climate
> > change, as life will find a way to cope, but I, for one, want my
> > descendants to be born and enjoy the same (or better) lifestyle than
> > myself. Therefore, I'm firmly in the camp of "something needs to be done
> > about the increased frequency of extreme weather on Earth".
> >
> > Also, let's be charitable and say that there are 1 and a half million
> > climate change deniers on Earth, out of a total population of 7.5 billion
> > is 2%, which is less than the margin of error in most of the polls that
> > pass as facts in news broadcasts. -- H
> >
> > On 20 April 2017 at 17:18, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
> >
> > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
> > > Date: Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:17 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier:
> > > 'millions agree with him'
> > > To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> > >
> > >
> > > (for IP, if you wish)
> > >
> > > This is not only incredibly tone-deaf, it's dangerous.  I've been
> > > engaged in climatology self-education for the past 15 years or so,
> > > attempting to leverage my science and engineering background into a
> > > basic understanding of the field via books, papers, IPCC reports, etc.
> > >
> > > I've lost count of the number of times a new paper or report shows that
> > > previous ones erred -- and those errors are almost invariably on the
> > > conservative side, i.e., newer work shows that the situation is worse
> > > than previously thought.  The emergence of positive feedback loops
> > > is particularly troubling; it seems like every few months another is
> > > uncovered and found to be contributing to the overall trend.
> > >
> > > The more I learn, the more horrified I become.
> > >
> > > Albert A. Bartlett wrote that the greatest shortcoming of the human race
> > > is man's inability to understand the exponential function.  We stand at
> > > an inflection point on a curve, staring at the slope rising in front of
> > > us,
> > > with limited time and resources to avoid the nearly inevitable...and the
> > > New York Times is pandering to the scientifically illiterate for the sake
> > > of some transient profits.  I would say that the judgment of history
> > > will be harsh -- but I fear that few will be left to write it.
> > >
> > > ---rsk
> >
> >
> >
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