Re From a nyt and long time iper Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'

["Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com>]

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> From: Michael Robertson <mr () michaelrobertson com>
> Date: April 22, 2017 at 12:53:43 PM EDT
> To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
> Subject: Re: [IP] From a nyt and long time iper Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions 
> agree with him'
>
> Let the record show that some on this list would be branded as "climate deniers" such as myself.
>
> I'd point out that global warmers have largely abandoned that term and adopted the amorphous semantic fraud which is 
> "climate change". They regularly promote outlandish climate hysteria in spite of the fact that we now have decades of 
> failed dire predictions.
>
> And like the religions of the past, anyone who questions the logic is ostracized as a heretic. 
>
> > On Apr 22, 2017 8:42 AM, "Dave Farber" <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > > From: "Schwartz, John" <jswatz () nytimes com>
> > > Date: April 22, 2017 at 10:42:19 AM EDT
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'
> > >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > >     However you feel about the hiring of Bret Stephens, it's important to keep in mind that he has been hired as a 
> > > single voice among the opinion columnists at the NYT. His hiring does not change the work being done in the 
> > > newsroom, by reporters, to tell the story of climate change. Nor does it affect the stance of the editorial board, 
> > > which has long aligned itself with the science and has consistently called for action to reduce greenhouse gas 
> > > emissions. 
> > >
> > >      I'm a little self interested here, of course, in that I am one of about a dozen journalists at the NYT 
> > > directly involved in reporting on climate change and the environment. The management of the newsroom has built up 
> > > this climate team to bring these stories to the world. And we are--along with much of the rest of the newsroom--as 
> > > you can see by following this link:
> > >
> > > https://www.nytimes.com/section/climate
> > >
> > >       I'm not commenting on the Stephens hire. But many stories written about the decision to bring him into the 
> > > stable of columnists suggest that it shows The New York Times is not serious about climate change. 
> > >
> > >       Nothing could be further from the truth.
> > >
> > >       Best,
> > >
> > >       John
> > >
> > > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 7:46 AM, David Farber <farber () gmail com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > >
> > > > From: Hasan Diwan <hasan.diwan () gmail com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [IP] Re New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'
> > > > Date: April 22, 2017 at 7:07:38 AM EDT
> > > > To: "dave () farber net" <dave () farber net>
> > > >
> > > > Prof Farber, 
> > > > [for IP, should you deem fit]
> > > > While I'm sure that one can persuade "millions" to say "I believe the climate is not changing", the more 
> > > > important/relevant question to ask is "Assuming the climate is changing, should humans do anything about it?" to 
> > > > which the answer that my old Biology professor liked to give was that life will find a way, but maybe without us. 
> > > > So, if one doesn't give a toss about one's own species, then sure, deny the need to do anything about climate 
> > > > change, as life will find a way to cope, but I, for one, want my descendants to be born and enjoy the same (or 
> > > > better) lifestyle than myself. Therefore, I'm firmly in the camp of "something needs to be done about the 
> > > > increased frequency of extreme weather on Earth". 
> > > >
> > > > Also, let's be charitable and say that there are 1 and a half million climate change deniers on Earth, out of a 
> > > > total population of 7.5 billion is 2%, which is less than the margin of error in most of the polls that pass as 
> > > > facts in news broadcasts. -- H
> > > >
> > > > > On 20 April 2017 at 17:18, Dave Farber <dave () farber net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> > > > > From: Rich Kulawiec <rsk () gsp org>
> > > > > Date: Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 8:17 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [IP] New York Times defends hiring extreme climate denier: 'millions agree with him'
> > > > > To: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > (for IP, if you wish)
> > > > >
> > > > > This is not only incredibly tone-deaf, it's dangerous.  I've been
> > > > > engaged in climatology self-education for the past 15 years or so,
> > > > > attempting to leverage my science and engineering background into a
> > > > > basic understanding of the field via books, papers, IPCC reports, etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've lost count of the number of times a new paper or report shows that
> > > > > previous ones erred -- and those errors are almost invariably on the
> > > > > conservative side, i.e., newer work shows that the situation is worse
> > > > > than previously thought.  The emergence of positive feedback loops
> > > > > is particularly troubling; it seems like every few months another is
> > > > > uncovered and found to be contributing to the overall trend.
> > > > >
> > > > > The more I learn, the more horrified I become.
> > > > >
> > > > > Albert A. Bartlett wrote that the greatest shortcoming of the human race
> > > > > is man's inability to understand the exponential function.  We stand at
> > > > > an inflection point on a curve, staring at the slope rising in front of us,
> > > > > with limited time and resources to avoid the nearly inevitable...and the
> > > > > New York Times is pandering to the scientifically illiterate for the sake
> > > > > of some transient profits.  I would say that the judgment of history
> > > > > will be harsh -- but I fear that few will be left to write it.
> > > > >
> > > > > ---rsk
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
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