re Vanishing US Industry: Some Straight Talk

[Dave Farber <dave () farber net>]

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> From: bobr () bobrosenberg phoenix az us
> Date: July 6, 2010 6:52:29 PM EDT
> To: dave () farber net
> Subject: Re: [IP] re  Vanishing US Industry: Some Straight Talk

> Dave
>
> Andy Grove's suggestion "... to protect ... US jobs...." is straight out of Adam
> Smith's "On the Wealth of Nations".
>
> Smith calls for free markets EXCEPT for those industries that are vital to the
> existence of a nation.
>
> Don't let any modern day person (economist or not) get away with arguing that
> somehow protecting the lifeblood of the nation is a bad idea.
>
> Cheers,
> Bob
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> > > From: Andrew C Burnette <acb () acb net>
> > > Date: July 6, 2010 3:45:19 PM EDT
> > > To: dave () farber net
> > > Cc: unger () cs columbia edu
> > > Subject: Re: [IP] Vanishing US Industry: Some Straight Talk
> >
> > > Dave,
> > >
> > > For IP if you wish.
> > >
> > > I actually paid for my college education by working full time on an
> > > electronics assembly line in the 1980's (making IBM 3270 compatible
> > > terminals). The experience was a positive one overall, and the jobs were
> > > on the whole, fairly decent for those who made a career out of them.
> > >
> > > Not only did they provide benefits including healthcare, but fully
> > > supported my educational path, and did in fact provide superior tuition
> > > and book reimbursement benefits compared to those I had while working at
> > > the state university employed as a member of staff.
> > >
> > > Sadly, the location in Raleigh NC was reduced to an empty parking lot
> > > some years ago, yet I can say with pride our products were top notch in
> > > terms of quality and were quite competitive in the marketplace.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Andy Burnette.
> > >
> > > On 07/04/2010 05:39 PM, Dave Farber wrote:
> > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > >
> > > > > *From:* Stephen Unger <unger () cs columbia edu
> > > > > <mailto:unger () cs columbia edu>>
> > > > > *Date:* July 4, 2010 5:09:42 PM EDT
> > > > > *To:* Dave Farber <dave () farber net <mailto:dave () farber net>>
> > > > > *Subject:* *Vanishing US Industry: Some Straight Talk*
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave,
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is a possible item for ip.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > ............
> > > > >
> > > > > In a cogent Bloomberg Opinion piece (see below), Andy Grove, a
> > > > > principal founder, and long-time CEO, of INTEL, explains how the US is
> > > > > well along a path to economic disaster as a result of the dismantling
> > > > > of our manufacturing base. Grove is not handcuffed by ideology. He is
> > > > > not afraid of the idea of using our government to protect our economy.
> > > > >
> > > > > He points out the success achieved in Asia via "the effective
> > > > > involvement of the government in targeting the growth of manufacturing
> > > > > industries". One of his suggestions is to protect (a dirty word
> > > > > according to conventional economists) US jobs by, among other things,
> > > > > levying "an extra tax on the product of offshored labor", and using
> > > > > the proceeds to subsidize the expansion of production facilities in
> > > > > the US.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is gratifying that a man in his position is speaking out forcefully
> > > > > on this critical issue. Of course it would have been even better if he
> > > > > had done so a decade or more ago, when the process that INTEL played a
> > > > > large role in would have been easier to stop and reverse. But, better
> > > > > late than never. Grove's article buttresses much of what I wrote
> > > > > nearly three years ago in a broader treatment of the subject.
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-01/how-to-make-an-american-job-before-it-s-too-late-andy-grove.html
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www1.cs.columbia.edu/~unger/articles/jobs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve
> > > > > ......
> > > > > Stephen H. Unger
> > > > > Professor Emeritus
> > > > > Computer Science and Electrical Engineering
> > > > > Columbia University
> > > > > ............
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