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Re: Cell-Phone Bills: Is Text-Messaging Too Expensive? - TIME
From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 14:38:38 -0400
Begin forwarded message: From: Richard Perlman <rdp () yikes com> Date: September 15, 2009 1:26:32 PM EDT To: David Farber <dave () farber net>, ip <ip () v2 listbox com>Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Cell-Phone Bills: Is Text-Messaging Too Expensive? - TIME
Dave: For IP if you wish, some comments on wireless billing practices. A little background:The regular "wireline" phone companies used to have (and probably still do) accounting requirements for "Settlements and Separations." Separations was the process of determining the amount of investment in various categories of
the physical plant. Originally this was pretty much the Central Office, local loop, and intra-CO facilities. After "divestiture" (1/1/84) this changed to various permutations of: Local, Intra-LATA, Inter-LATA, Intra-State, etc. This information was mainly useful to determine rate-of-return, since that rate was typically specified by the type of investment. Thus, phone companies would "play games" by assigning more investment to areas with higher allowed returned rates, local loop for instance.The Separations information was also used to help in the Settlement process. This was how phone companies separated or divided revenues when more than
one company was involved in completing a call. Complex formulas based on distance and cost (from Separations) were used to share revenues.Now, most (if not all) of the major wireless carriers have their origins in the wireline world. Even "independent Vodaphone can trace it's roots back to Pactel Mobile, via AirTouch. So, I am wondering if these companies also have processes like Settlements and Separations when it comes to sharing revenue
between wireless companies and between wireline and wireless companies. Logically, if such processes do exist, they would apply to data services(like SMS) as well as voice. Therefore, revenues might flow from the carrier that originated the SMS to the one that delivered it, thereby offsetting the costs of the delivering company, and probably covering the $0.03 cents of
incremental cost. Perhaps an IP reader who has more recent involvement in the telco world could comment.As to the argument that SMS profit helps "subsidize" voice costs to sustain overall profitability. That is, in my opinion, specious. The major Las Vegas casino hotels were originally setup to have non-casino operations run at a loss just to promote the casino: dirt-cheap food, rooms and shows were the results. However, in the (long time past) 1970's the bean-counters figured
out that while the casino had a fairly well fixed rate-of-return (I.e.Profit margin) the other functions were not so restricted. So, they moved to a profit center model in which each hotel operation had to support its own
costs. To have a long-term income strategy that over-charges for SMS (if that is really taking place) subsidize luring people in with cheap voicewould be, at best, dishonest and, in the end, probably a self- destructive
path for the carriers. Richard On 9/15/09 6:21 AM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:
Begin forwarded message: From: Brett Glass <brett () lariat net> Date: September 14, 2009 11:56:54 AM EDT To: dave () farber net, "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com> Subject: Re: [IP] Cell-Phone Bills: Is Text-Messaging Too Expensive? - TIME At 01:50 PM 9/13/2009, David Farber wrote:Summing up, Keshav found that a text message doesn't cost providers more than 0.3 cent."This isn't accurate. The cost of building out, operating, and maintaining the cellular network is tremendous (and is inflated by problems such as overcharges by the ILECs for leased lines to connect the towers -- also known as "special access"). What's more, due to the advent of cut rate and unlimited calling plans (in which the carriers actually lose money on some voice customers), this cost can't be supported by voice service alone. Without SMS charges, all of the major cellular carriers would lose money unless they substantially raised rates for other services. --Brett Glass ------------------------------------------- Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/247/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/247/ Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
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