Re: Airport Security Cost The US the 2016 Olympics

[David Farber <dave () farber net>]

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From: "Atkinson, Robert" <rca53 () columbia edu>
Date: October 4, 2009 6:21:49 PM EDT
To: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] Airport Security Cost The US the 2016 Olympics

“Considering everything we do to foreigners, it seems a completely  
fair trade.”

What is it exactly we “do” to foreigners?  That would be the  
40,000,000 plus foreign tourists that will come to the US this year? http://tinet.ita.doc.gov/view/m-2009-I-001/table1.html 
 This is a “down” year, presumably because of the economic situation:  
it was 50,000,000 in 2007.  Are all these people masochists? Maybe  
they just like this country.  New York City is bursting with foreign  
tourists, and most probably went through JFK which is a bad place even  
for US citizens, but no worse than, say, Heathrow.

Bob

On 10/4/09 1:48 PM, "David Farber" <dave () farber net> wrote:



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From: mary hodder <mary () hodder org>
Date: October 3, 2009 1:28:29 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net, Carl Stork <carl () ciconiaco com>
Subject: Re: [IP] Airport Security Cost The US the 2016 Olympics

Ironically, in 1921 Brazil, in reaction to US passport and visa  
restrictions, added some for for American citizens
including the normal 2 month wait to get the $200 visa (can be one  
week with more fees and proof of travel). That visa
is good for 1 trip to 5 years, whatever the issuer arbitrarily decides  
at the time of issuing the visa.

Oh, and the $200 fee can only be paid by money order (which requires  
standing in line at the post office).

These same restrictions don't apply for Europeans  or the rest of the  
world, but do apply to Canadians.

So American's will suffer to enter Brazil for the Olympics but most of  
the rest of the world will not. Considering
everything we do to foreigners, it seems a completely fair trade.

On Oct 3, 2009, at 10:02 AM, Dave Farber wrote:





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From: Carl Stork <carl () ciconiaco com>
Date: October 3, 2009 12:31:38 EDT
To: dave () farber net, 'ip' <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: RE: [IP] Airport Security Cost The US the 2016 Olympics


It wasn’t airport security. It is U.S. Customs & Immigration. It is  
difficult, expensive and unpleasant to get a visa to come to the  
United  States, and even for so-called visa-waiver countries to we are  
adding administrative hurdles and proposing new fees. Then once you  
travel to the U.S., the entry experience is unpleasant and  
disgraceful. I have friends in Europe who choose not to visit the U.S.  
any more because they don’t want to deal with it. I am sure many IOC  
members have had the unpleasant experience of entering the U.S.

A marketing campaign won’t fix this. Customs and Immigration doesn’t  
seem accountable to anyone for the awful experience it provides, even  
to U.S. citizens and residents.





From: David Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
 Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 9:48 PM
 To: ip
 Subject: [IP] Airport Security Cost The US the 2016 Olympics






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Date: October 2, 2009 9:50:16 PM EDT


To: <mailto:dave () farber net> dave () farber net


Subject: Airport Security Cost The US the 2016 Olympics


  <http://intransit.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/chicagos-loss-is-passport-control-to-blame/ 
> http://intransit.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/02/chicagos-loss-is-passport-control-to-blame/

"Among the toughest questions posed to the Chicago bid team this week  
in Copenhagen was one that raised the issue of what kind of welcome  
foreigners would get from airport officials when they arrived in this  
country to attend the Games. Syed Shahid Ali, an I.O.C. member from  
Pakistan, in the question-and-answer session following Chicago’s  
official presentation, pointed out that entering the United  States  
can be “a rather harrowing experience.”"




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