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Re: Shovel-ready broadband stimulus


From: David Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:37:22 -0400



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From: "David P. Reed" <dpreed () reed com>
Date: May 7, 2009 2:51:06 PM EDT
To: dave () farber net
Cc: ip <ip () v2 listbox com>
Subject: Re: [IP] Re:   Shovel-ready broadband stimulus

A random, but hopefully stimulating thought:

In telecom, what gets deployed *rarely* succeeds in achieving the goals for which it was invented. ISDN and AIN being an example. (another time we can discuss why...)

Instead, the world tends to subvert communications infrastructure. ISDN around 1992 became the technology that enabled *dialup* 128kb ISPs, rather than "advanced telephony" and low-speed packet services. THat is never what the Bells expected from the deployment of ISDN switching. 50 Kb lines between academic computer sites, and the ARPANET exploited it and made it better.

So perhaps this "broadband" will waste a lot of energy, and is targeted *all wrong* (I suspect it is, myself, anyway). But we can take it over and hack it into what it should have been. It's harder to do that now since government want to use the access networks as an arm of citizen-control policy. If we want to be able to keep it flexible to discover what it's really good for, we need to resist that imposition of policy - often hiding behind claims that the access network owner either needs an "incentive" to monetize its customers, or behind claims that the access network provides a control point for government interests (censorship, surveillance, etc.).


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From: "Mike Todd" <miketodd () miketodd com>
Date: May 7, 2009 12:05:12 PM EDT
To: <dave () farber net>
Subject: Re: [IP] Shovel-ready broadband stimulus

Dwayne,

I am hoping your much more workable approach gets some reasonable chance of becoming a reality.

Even though the technical aspects do not seem to have a prayer of having a chance of providing some reason to the process, getting it out of the hands of "big money", "big government" and the "political playground" would, at the very least, be a step in a much better direction!

Mike Todd
President, Mike Todd Associates - www.MikeTodd.com

President, Internet Society Los Angeles Chapter - www.ISOC-LA.org
toddm () isoc-la org

Founder, Digital Divide Task Force, www.ddtf.org (undergoing updates)
miketodd () ddtf org

Western Trade Adjustment Assistance Center (Western TAAC)
Phoenix, Arizona program expansion center
Western Research Application Center, Viterbi School of Engineering,
University of Southern California

----- Original Message ----- From: "David Farber" <dave () farber net>
To: "ip" <ip () v2 listbox com>
Sent: Thursday, May 07, 2009 08:14
Subject: [IP] Shovel-ready broadband stimulus




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From: dewayne () warpspeed com (Dewayne Hendricks)
Date: May 6, 2009 2:21:54 PM EDT
To: Dewayne-Net Technology List <xyzzy () warpspeed com>
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] Shovel-ready broadband stimulus

SHOVEL-READY BROADBAND STIMULUS

[Commentary] The $7.2 billion broadband stimulus will not achieve what it advertises for the US economy. Firms that had been building rural broadband networks have reportedly halted operations, circling back to Washington. Ultimately, the $7.2bn will be awarded in "beauty contests," where bureaucrats examine competing proposals and make their picks based on their values, mood, and whim. A group of 71 economists expert in telecommunications policy, including two Nobel Laureates (and this author), have urged a different approach, "reverse auctions." The government would state its performance criteria and then take bids, selecting the lowest price offers. The proposal has only a remote chance of being adopted because it is both transparent and economical. Having to make goals objective and explicit takes the discretionary political fun away. And assigning rights by competitive bidding is like having a fraternity party without any beer at all.

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