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re TSA overreaction to Delta incident


From: Dave Farber <dave () farber net>
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:51:01 -0500





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From: Amy Wohl <amy () wohl com>
Date: December 26, 2009 2:33:42 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Subject: RE: [IP] re TSA overreaction to Delta incident


It’s all theater. Designed to make the traveling public think it’s safe to fly. Of course, those of us who can see the fake wizar d behind the green curtain are only annoyed by this act.



Even though I travel with my Kindle I can’t use it at the beginning and end of the flight (usually a total of at least 30 minutes) becau se the airlines and the TSA don’t know the difference between differ ent kinds of electronics. All they would have to do is tell me to t urn its wireless feature off. That means I have to bring something else to read on the plane.



What if you need to take medication during the time the TSA wouldn’t like you to access your carry on? Or if you finish a book and what other reading material?



I am a much-more-than-middle aged woman who is obviously American or Western European. I always pay for my ticket with a credit card and I’ve been in the frequent flyer system (for multiple airlines) since the day the programs started. Yet I get various extra and extraneo us security checks, no doubt because some random number generator ha s selected me.



I am very tired of this charade and I have definitely tried to cut back my air travel (less travel altogether in favor of web conferences), more switching to train or car where possible. I know (from what I read) I am not alone. I wonder what we have to do to get the government to do a cost-benefit analysis of what they’re doi ng and come up with something that might actual have a benefit. I r eally doubt that the fact that I now almost always check a bag becau se it’s too hard to meet all the requirements with carry on and not have to buy lots of new stuff on arrival benefits anyone but the hot el shops.



Perhaps we could volunteer to put together an “expert” group for the federal government?







Amy D. Wohl

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From: Dave Farber [mailto:dave () farber net]
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2009 2:18 PM
To: ip
Subject: [IP] re TSA overreaction to Delta incident







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From: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>
Date: December 26, 2009 2:15:46 PM EST
To: dave () farber net
Cc: Bob Hinden <bob.hinden () gmail com>
Subject: Re: [IP] TSA overreaction to Delta incident

Dave,

It's more security theater.

None of the these measures would have stopped this person. How would keeping everyone in their seats for 60 minutes have prevented it? Or only allowing one carry on?

Bob


On Dec 26, 2009, at 10:23 AM, Dave Farber wrote:











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From: Kris Gabor <kgabor () aol com>

Date: December 26, 2009 1:21:16 PM EST

To: dave () farber net

Subject: TSA overreaction to Delta incident



Hi, Dave,



For IP, if you think it's appropriate. If the following is true, this is another good example of kneejerk overreaction after a security incident. There used to be a rule that passengers bound for DCA had to remain seated during the last 30 minutes of flight, but even that was scrapped after a few years. Good luck telling passengers they can't use their laptops or read a book for the last hour of a flight. As someone had suggested in the wake of 9/11, maybe the best thing would be to strip all the passengers naked and chain them into their seats for the entire flight.



It's interesting how Air Canada has already posted this, but there is no official announcement of it yet from TSA. I wonder if after the initial kneejerk, pragmatism may yet win out.



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/27/us/27plane.html



"Although transportation officials had not announced new security measures yet, Air Canada said the Transportation Security Agency would make significant changes to the way passengers are able to move about on aircraft. During the final hour of flight, customers will have to remain seated, will not be allowed access to carry-on baggage and cannot have personal belongings or other items on their laps, according to a notice <http://www.aircanada.com/en/news/trav_adv/091226.html > on Air Canada’s Web site.



In effect, that means passengers on flights of about 90 minutes or less will not be able to get out of their seats, since they are not allowed to move about while an airplane is climbing to its cruising altitude.



Air Canada also told its United States bound customers that they would be limited to a single carry-on item and that they would be subjected to personal and baggage searches at security check points and in the gate area. It said this would result in significant delays, canceled flights and missed connections. Air Canada said it would waive the baggage fee for the first checked bag as a result of the new policy."







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